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This is kind of insane. keep saying what? You keep misunderstanding so I keep trying to clear it up. This? Yes. If you really want to be heard, attend a meeting. But you misread it the first time I said it, and missed the 'really'. Again, you are heard if you don't attend a meeting, but if...

Since you asked, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt once more Sure it does. The aren't getting paid, nor are they getting benefits for doing what they do. They certainly don't need to be taken to task for minor stuff. If no one volunteers because club members are coming across agro, no...

I have no idea if you are joking or not, so I have node if I should reply or not.

WIthout them the club would be over and done. Seriously. The BOD is what makes the club happen, and they do it on their own time, for free, with constant criticism. If anyone wants to really be heard, attend BOD meetings and be heard. It's pretty straighforward.

Food fish and toruism are very often at odds with the marine ornamental trade.

Gotcha. I get a little defensive when BOD are being grilled. Thanks for the clarification!

Because food collection and sale has nothing to do with Marine Ornamentals. The GDP of Indo does not hinge on the animals we keep.

Doesn't that include food fish which dwarfs MO?

I don't believe that is the case - do you have a source?

This seems incredibly unfair. The BOD is a volunteer group that spends significant time and resources orgnizing the club and related events for a hobby group. Anyone can run to be on the BOD, but few do. The people on the BOD work their butts off, and really don't deserve this kind of stuff...

Some back ground reading https://packedhead.net/skeptical-reefkeeping-vii-a-look-at-ethics/ https://packedhead.net/skeptical-reefkeeping-11-ethics-of-animal-selection/

I submit that that is ethics. We used to have sketchy people/stores do bag lot sales out of their garage to try to make some extra money regardless of the status of the animals (I am making no comment on the status of the animals in this thread). Group buys should be for the benefit of the...

Facebook market place is open to anyone. The buy sell forum on this site is for members, and has rules and guidelines to help support the clubs mission, reduce scams, support each other, support stores that are not flash in the pan and are being ethical, weed out jerks, and try to stop people...

Thanks! The club is not supposed to be like facebook market place!

The club has always picked and choosed which store/sellers to support in order to support the mission - "The purpose of the organization is to promote, foster, and encourage education and appreciation for the ethical husbandry and propagation of marine life; and to acquire and own such property...

Sweet! I can come almost any day next week and pick it up. Will DM you! Thanks!

We have no idea what happens to most of the imported animals at the source, and there are often long transit times, and long times in bags, being moved from holding system to holding system. The ethics comes into play in trying to give the animals the best chance at survival - 1) after import...

Still available? I have a use for it!

That seems a terrible way to not start drama. No, saying bag lot sales are not ethical, a la 6th avenue - and that there is a lot of death in the hobby in the coc which is part of went into the by laws of the club. Bouncing animals from ocean to tank to shipping to tank to shipping to tank to...

Yep! This is the one I am using...