Reef nutrition

Ways to bring up and stabilize pH

With winter coming around and the heater coming on and windows being closed I need ideas on how to bring up pH. Right now my pH is fluctuating between 7.8 - 8.15. I'd like to keep it in between 8.0 and 8.3. I dosed more alk but that didn't do much but just bring my alk from 9dKH - 12dKH. I'm slowly bringing this back down to 9 dKH again by limiting my dosing. Dosing is done by my Bubble Magus every hour for alk. Calcium and mag are dosed 3 times a day. My fuge has some fast growing chaeto on a reverse light cycle but that doesn't too much. I've heard of running an airline outdoors to my skimmer but my wife won't let me drill a hole through the house. :bigsmile: My MP40's are agitating the surface. So I need other ideas. Running an airstone? Using KALK? Looking to hear some suggestions.
 
PH is not really a number you IMO and IME need to chase
 
Hmm, I might say +0.5 instead.
What is described sounds like a bit of a CO2 buildup problem in the house that is bringing down PH.
Agree that in itself, not really an issue.
But lets say you close everything up tight for the week, CO2 builds, then you have a nice weekend, and open everything
up to air out the house. Pretty common.
This might cause a pretty significant and quick spike in PH.
Might stress things, especially if recurring.

My suggestion would be to slightly open a window near the tank in the morning when you leave for work. Even if a bit cold.
(With appropriate security measures of course)
Or even just leave the bathroom vent on. That will push quite a bit of air out, thus pulling in outside air in general.
 
Currently my window by the tank is open all day. pH has hovered below 7.8 a couple of times bust usually above that. What numbers (low and high) should I be alerted at?
 
Why people are saying to disregard the pH when other parameters are in check:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/june2002/chem.htm
and
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php

In my opinion, the pH range from 7.8 to 8.5 is an acceptable range for reef aquaria, with several caveats. These are:

1.

That the alkalinity is at least 2.5 meq/L, and preferably higher at the lower end of this pH range. I base this statement partly on the fact that many reef aquaria operate quite effectively in the pH 7.8 to 8.0 range, and that most of the best examples of these types of aquaria incorporate calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors which, while tending to lower the pH, keep the carbonate alkalinity fairly high (at or above 3 meq/L.). In this case, any problems associated with calcification at these lower pH values may be offset by the higher alkalinity.
2.

That the calcium level is at least 400 ppm. Calcification becomes more difficult as the pH and calcium levels fall. It is not desirable to push all of the extremes of pH, alkalinity, and calcium at the same time, so if the pH is low and cannot be easily changed (as may be the case in an aquarium with a CaCO3/CO2 reactor), at least make sure that the calcium level is normal to high (~400-450 ppm).
3.

Likewise, one of the problems at higher pH (anywhere above 8.2, but progressively more problematic with each incremental rise) is the abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate, resulting in a drop in calcium and alkalinity, and the clogging of heaters and pump impellers. If you push the pH to 8.4 or higher (as often happens when using limewater), make sure that both the calcium and alkalinity levels are suitably maintained (that is, neither too low, inhibiting biological calcification, nor too high, causing excessive abiotic precipitation on equipment).
4.

Transient upward spikes are less deleterious than transient downward spikes in pH.
 
I think I should be good. Haven't seen it gone close to 7.6, hopefully I will never see it that low.

So those reefers who use kalk as topoff to keep their pH stable and in that range are just really into their parameters?
 
Coral reefer said:
You could use the magus to add ph buffer sometimes and soda ash others, ph during night or low ph times, soda ash during day?

Thing with the BM is that you can't pump at specific times. It just doses intervals between 24 hours. I think I might just pick up a peristaltic pump and setup a program on the apex.
 
I thought you could pick start times for the programs? I've only setup one pump on mine so far, ca and mg are good, I only do soda ash so far
 
Coral reefer said:
I thought you could pick start times for the programs? I've only setup one pump on mine so far, ca and mg are good, I only do soda ash so far

You can pick start times for the programs. If you choose 1 it would dump all of the liquid at that time. If you choose 2 or more it would split the dosage between a 24 hour period.
 
Kalk only stabilizes the tank when it is being dosed, once the dosing subsides environmental factors take over and the tank returns to its normal state.
 
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