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Woe Day Scammer

thephoreefer

thephoreefer

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Careful buying from Woe Day, potentially sell you product that may not function correctly. He may withheld crucial information that affect the function of the item just to get rid of / make sale. No returns. Which my opinion is very scammy. For my instance Nero3 no submersible magnet, shakes (only25%) and drops into tank frequently damaging coral and stir up sand everywhere. Refuse to return, has no integrity and is not a good person to deal with. Watch out or avoid!


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Just my general thoughts here as a avid purchaser of used equipment. (not anything representing bod here)

I would say that 85% of my stuff is used including tanks, lights and other major equipment items. There were a few key items or equipment I purchased new but not many.

Buying used equipment I first and foremost understand that I'm buying it at a discount in a effort to save money. With that expectation
It should go without saying there is no warranty or typical refund expected unless you plug something up and it doesn't function at all. There is due digilance upon pick up to look items over maybe ask to see them functioning. It's not uncommon for something used to be missing a part, have some minor damage or some modifications made by the seller.

Yet there are two sides of the equation here. It's up to buyer to inspect item and determine if he's willing to take the risk to save money.
It's also a seller's moral responsibility to make reasonable disclosures of known issues or possibly missing parts.

If this was me and it was missing a magnet I would first ask the club, if anyone has one laying around, if not I would probably just buy one for $20 move on and be dang sure to check future used items I buy for those.

If I were selling the used item and something was missing that I didn't know within reason I might return some of the money, a refund idk it depends on the item and what the issue was. I would also be willing to bend a little to ensure this wouldn't potentially effect opinions on future items I might sale.

For the sake of peace I would have said well the replacement costs $20, give me $10 or I will give you $10 back meet in the middle.

*I'm definitely not intending this to seem as though I'm taking sides here - I promise I'm not.*


Both parties have responsibilities here who's at fault the world may never know.

1.) Is this enough to label someone a scammer- I don't think so.

2.) Is this enough to say that it's all the buyers fault for not checking it out- I don't think so (seeing that information wasn't disclosed prior or during exchange).

3.) Ultimately I hope you guys can meet in the middle here and find a respectful resolution.

@thephoreefer
@Woeday

I have bought items or livestock from both of you gentleman on multiple occasions. I have some respect for both of you- Just Wanna see you guys work things out like adults and not let things spiral.
 
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It’s all about integrity with me, I don’t really care for the money. I thought I bought functional nero3(keep falling down having is not functional to me) my fault trusting of people thinking people have good integrity. I don’t think everyone out there scamming me. Only 100$. If he accept return I wouldn’t actually return it just testing him for his integrity. Thus show me he has none. He’s getting out of hobby so trying to sell at any cost. He all about money right now forsaken his integrity and reputation as a person. Money u can get easily but your morality and integrity is harder to earn back. If item missing anything have issue I would tell the buyer before selling and not withheld information from them just to sell it, it shows u value money more than anything else. I value integrity more than money. I’d rather be homeless and have integrity than be rich and have none.
 
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Thats hella shady from what I read.

@Woeday man up and give him his money back, shake his hand and apologize for the misunderstanding. I could give less of a $hit how cheap you sold it. If you weren't forthcoming with its defects, that's shady...we dont play that on here. Do the right thing.
 
No wonder he doesn’t answer he's getting out the hobby. I reached out and my friends reached out but no answer what so ever. A simple response from him would be nice stating im no longer selling or im getting out the hobby.
Aside from that I agree thats shady if you knew its not working tell the buyer before selling. That says a lot about the person!
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
Thats hella shady from what I read.

@Woeday man up and give him his money back, shake his hand and apologize for the misunderstanding. I could give less of a $hit how cheap you sold it. If you weren't forthcoming with its defects, that's shady...we dont play that on here. Do the right thing.
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It’s not about the money to be honest it’s about integrity. I’m donating the nero3 to BAR to auction off at swap if approved. Hopefully Eric can find the interior magnet
 
thephoreefer said:
It’s not about the money to be honest it’s about integrity. I’m donating the nero3 to BAR to auction off at swap if approved. Hopefully Eric can find the interior magnet
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Agreed 100%. From my view, its all in the principle. I dont tolerate people of our community getting jacked like that and what I dont personally condemn, I condone.

I'm sorry this happened to you man, especially amongst someone who was once part of our community.

I know times are hard for people nowadays, but pulling shady crap like this ain't the answer.

If its all a misunderstanding, clear the air and man up to it. But dont be no punk and jack someone from the reefing community, or any community at that.
 
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Price of one hundred for nero 3 in image, fifty percent from normal price. WYSISYG, pump works great missing interior magnet i didnt use and discarded which is WYSIWYG. Its informative to see accusations due to envy and jealousy and true colors show
 

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Crucified? Jesus would have told Danh about the magnet.

Just give him his money back and be done with it.

Go sell it on FB marketplace with some transparency. At least people know what is wrong with it and what they're getting into.
 
Anyone would’ve thought there be magnet behind that picture or did you plan on just giving me only the wavemaker no magnet, I had to ask “where the magnet?” When pickup, thinking he gave me the magnets. Now I thinking back maybe he initially try to sell just wavemaker then later on try no return BS.
No interior magnet wavemaker would fall down constantly. What’s point using it if u have to put it up manually again and again. It defeats the purpose of the wavemaker, purposefully leaving out information about this crucial component just to get rid of it. Your purpose was to get rid of it knowing that it won’t work properly without the interior magnet therefore you left it out not telling buyer. No return add extra points into scam. Only true scammer don’t give money back after they trick their victim. No integrity. You are too money oriented to scam people don’t care about reputation or morals. No principles. I’d be disappointed and ashamed if my kid did something like this.
 
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Coral reefer said:
Envy and jealousy? I’m confused. Maybe yall were both confused. Can’t we all just get along. It’s a little magnet. And maybe some pride. Get over yourselves. Don’t be jerks. Figure it out like nice people please!
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No returns obviously trying to scam. Scammers dont return money to their victims. Next buying with Venmo no cash… my fault for being too trusting of people thinking people are good and not malicious. :(
 
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Price of one hundred for nero 3 in image, fifty percent from normal price. WYSISYG, pump works great missing interior magnet i didnt use and discarded which is WYSIWYG. Its informative to see accusations due to envy and jealousy and true colors show
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Including this info would save us a lot of trouble, why did you think it was as ok to not tell seller about this. And say it now.
 
what’s up with no return though. What’s your logical reason? that’s what mess up, feels like u intentionally try to scam me. That what makes me pissed. You don’t even try to make it right as a morally upright person.

No sorry throughout the whole interaction. A little” hey I’m sorry for misunderstanding, there is no interior magnet, you can get it through ai parts site.” Not ,”I need you to go on the ai store and get a twenty dollar magnet replacement since it bothers you that much”.
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1.Your true intentions were to get rid of it anyway possible and push the buyer to buy parts on their own therefore you didn’t disclose information on the interior magnet beforehand.
2.No sympathy and inconsiderate for the buyer, only care about making money, and be thorough with the sale.
3. From the get go your objective was to sell Wavemaker without magnets, a defective product. Wavemaker is not functional due to an interior magnet that stabilizes the wavemaker(no rattling) also prevents it from falling. Not useable if it keep falling land on corals and blowing sand everywhere.
 
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