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Clown and neon gobies

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Hi all,

Along with my pair of Clarkii clowns, I'm planning on housing a community of clown and neon gobies in my 150. I figure 5 neon gobies and 6 various clown gobies in total. Do you guys think the clarkii's will kill the gobies? Will the gobies kill each other?

Thanks all,
Mike
 
I had a pair of Ocellaris clowns (probably the most mellow clowns out there), and they did not take kindly to my yellow clown goby. They didn't kill him, but they made it known that he was not welcome near their turf. For some reason, they went after him more than the other fish. I'm guessing, but I think it might be the similar look and shape. I also have a Percula housed with a neon goby. The neon wants to clean him, but the Percula has no use for such nonsense. He chases the neon away. Not that you want the neons to clean them, but I think clowns in general don't have much use for cleaning due to their usual association with anemones and the thicker slime they produce on their bodies. My Ocelaris pair used to bite the antennae off the cleaner shrimp if they got too close. Clarkiis are much bigger and much more aggresive.

I have also housed a green clown goby with a yellow one, and they got along.
 
Thanks Lyn. The Clarkii's I have are definitely more aggressive than other clowns I've seen. I guess I'll hold off until I can add more LR to the tank.
 
That many in a tank of what size? Large, no problem but under 50g I for see the death of a few neons and clowns.
 
The neons will do great with almost anything. The other fish let it on them to clean parasites (ich & other)... I HAD one, but then it died(read more to find out why it died...) So no, it was not my "Bad Tank Water" that killed it! :) And yes, I WOULD say go with the goby, but the only thing that is going to stop you is that the clowns gobies and neons fight! My clown goby killed my neon and my other clown goby. Then he died of old age (bought him when he was 1 1/4 years old)
 
[quote author=GreshamH link=topic=6224.msg79003#msg79003 date=1233962907]
That many in a tank of what size? Large, no problem but under 50g I for see the death of a few neons and clowns.
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"I'm planning on housing a community of clown and neon gobies in my 150" (Taken from above.)
 
It's a 150, 60x24x24 to be exact. After some more reading, I developed the following concerns:
1. Not enough corals? I have exactly 2 corals in my tank: A frag of Xenia and a small colony of zoas. From what I read, clown gobies require corals to survive.
2. 6 may be too many. I read that once clown gobies pair up, they become extremely territorial. I don't know how large of a territory that is, but w/ potentially 3 pairs and the Clarkii established in about 1/3 of the tank...that might cause some issues.

Any further thoughts?
 
Clown gobies don't NEED corals to survive, but they definitely like them. :) Dead or fake corals will do too. They like to perch on them for lookout. However, if you are going to try pairing them and spawning them, then I believe they need Acropora corals to lay their eggs on.

I had a single yellow clown for years without live corals. Just fish only with dead rock (Live rock is illegal in Hawaii) and fake corals. :)

Definitely, if you are getting more fish, of almost any kind, you will need more hiding places for them to help them feel secure.
 
I need to amend my last post. You don't need corals perse, but just enough hiding places. Enough rock will do the job too. Of course, coral covered rocks look nice. :D
 
[quote author=Lyn link=topic=6224.msg79009#msg79009 date=1233963420]
[quote author=GreshamH link=topic=6224.msg79003#msg79003 date=1233962907]
That many in a tank of what size? Large, no problem but under 50g I for see the death of a few neons and clowns.
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"I'm planning on housing a community of clown and neon gobies in my 150" (Taken from above.)
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Didn't see that, thanks. To quote easily, simply type [ uote] text you want then [/ uote] (that's "quote" each but it'll turn into code if I type it correctly :) )
 
[quote author=Lyn link=topic=6224.msg79014#msg79014 date=1233964226]
Clown gobies don't NEED corals to survive, but they definitely like them. :) Dead or fake corals will do too. They like to perch on them for lookout. However, if you are going to try pairing them and spawning them, then I believe they need Acropora corals to lay their eggs on.

I had a single yellow clown for years without live corals. Just fish only with dead rock (Live rock is illegal in Hawaii) and fake corals. :)

Definitely, if you are getting more fish, of almost any kind, you will need more hiding places for them to help them feel secure.
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That's not fully correct. Live Rock is legal in some cases in HI otherwise the company producing HI live rock would be out of business :) For the most part it is illegal though.
 
[quote author=itsacrispy link=topic=6224.msg79011#msg79011 date=1233963521]
It's a 150, 60x24x24 to be exact. After some more reading, I developed the following concerns:
1. Not enough corals? I have exactly 2 corals in my tank: A frag of Xenia and a small colony of zoas. From what I read, clown gobies require corals to survive.
2. 6 may be too many. I read that once clown gobies pair up, they become extremely territorial. I don't know how large of a territory that is, but w/ potentially 3 pairs and the Clarkii established in about 1/3 of the tank...that might cause some issues.

Any further thoughts?
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An average I'd say your looking at around 3' per pair (just derived from experience and observing others, not actual book data) of Clown gobies.
 
That's not fully correct. Live Rock is legal in some cases in HI otherwise the company producing HI live rock would be out of business :) For the most part it is illegal though.
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Yeah, for the home aquarist, it is illegal to have. There is a live rock producer on Molokai, but to my knowledge, they do not sell it within the Islands. They export to the mainland, etc. Same with the Seahorse place on the Big Island (Hawaii). They have all these beautiful seahorses that they can't sell in the islands.
 
Check the HI forums, I've seen them talking about getting it numerous time.

Sea Rider is a different story all together. They are selling non natives while the LR producer isn't selling anything non native in that respect. The look of the LR is pretty different then what you'd find in HI (which sucks IME/IMO - yes, I've seen the old legal stuff and I did not like it)

Close with the quoting but you need [ uote] in the start and [/ uote] at the end :)
 
[quote author=GreshamH link=topic=6224.msg79025#msg79025 date=1233965789]
Check the HI forums, I've seen them talking about getting it numerous time.

Sea Rider is a different story all together. They are selling non natives while the LR producer isn't selling anything non native in that respect. The look of the LR is pretty different then what you'd find in HI (which sucks IME/IMO - yes, I've seen the old legal stuff and I did not like it)


Close with the quoting but you need [ uote] in the start and [/ uote] at the end :)
[/quote] Thanks, accidental deletion. I was trying not to put the whole quote in since sometimes they get really long. :)

HI really gets LR? Wow, I wonder if it is a new development? I never saw live rock in any of the LFS I frequented on Oahu. I thought it was kind of weird that they (the State) wouldn't allow the local rocks to be kept locally. Didn't make sense to me. I'm glad the Hawaii folks have at least one source now. :)

Doesn't Ocean Rider produce seahorses native also to the islands? I know seahorses occur in the islands. I don't know what species though. LFS get wild ones in and sell them. I've also wondered why OR didn't sell the local species of seahorses in the islands. I would much rather have a captive bred one than a wild one.
 
It may have to do with the rules of that "research park". I know many of the companies in there and none of them sell locally either.

The HI LR posts I saw were from a few (4?) years back. I stopped paying attention as I was viewing far too many regional forums :)
 
[quote author=Lyn link=topic=6224.msg79030#msg79030 date=1233967333]
[quote author=GreshamH link=topic=6224.msg79025#msg79025 date=1233965789]
Check the HI forums, I've seen them talking about getting it numerous time.

Sea Rider is a different story all together. They are selling non natives while the LR producer isn't selling anything non native in that respect. The look of the LR is pretty different then what you'd find in HI (which sucks IME/IMO - yes, I've seen the old legal stuff and I did not like it)


Close with the quoting but you need [ uote] in the start and [/ uote] at the end :)
[/quote] Thanks, accidental deletion. I was trying not to put the whole quote in since sometimes they get really long. :)

HI really gets LR? Wow, I wonder if it is a new development? I never saw live rock in any of the LFS I frequented on Oahu. I thought it was kind of weird that they (the State) wouldn't allow the local rocks to be kept locally. Didn't make sense to me. I'm glad the Hawaii folks have at least one source now. :)

Doesn't Ocean Rider produce seahorses native also to the islands? I know seahorses occur in the islands. I don't know what species though. LFS get wild ones in and sell them. I've also wondered why OR didn't sell the local species of seahorses in the islands. I would much rather have a captive bred one than a wild one.


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I don't think any seahorses are native to Hawaii. The ones the LFS's get were probably once peoples pets or what not released into the wild. I do know my father saw someone catching them in the Alawai canal. hahaha. They guy catching them at first didn't want to say what they were, when he finally did he told my father, he said he sold them to the LFS's.
 
[quote author=iani link=topic=6224.msg79109#msg79109 date=1233978415]
[quote author=Lyn link=topic=6224.msg79030#msg79030 date=1233967333]
[quote author=GreshamH link=topic=6224.msg79025#msg79025 date=1233965789]
Check the HI forums, I've seen them talking about getting it numerous time.

Sea Rider is a different story all together. They are selling non natives while the LR producer isn't selling anything non native in that respect. The look of the LR is pretty different then what you'd find in HI (which sucks IME/IMO - yes, I've seen the old legal stuff and I did not like it)


Close with the quoting but you need [ uote] in the start and [/ uote] at the end :)
[/quote] Thanks, accidental deletion. I was trying not to put the whole quote in since sometimes they get really long. :)

HI really gets LR? Wow, I wonder if it is a new development? I never saw live rock in any of the LFS I frequented on Oahu. I thought it was kind of weird that they (the State) wouldn't allow the local rocks to be kept locally. Didn't make sense to me. I'm glad the Hawaii folks have at least one source now. :)

Doesn't Ocean Rider produce seahorses native also to the islands? I know seahorses occur in the islands. I don't know what species though. LFS get wild ones in and sell them. I've also wondered why OR didn't sell the local species of seahorses in the islands. I would much rather have a captive bred one than a wild one.


[/quote]

I don't think any seahorses are native to Hawaii. The ones the LFS's get were probably once peoples pets or what not released into the wild. I do know my father saw someone catching them in the Alawai canal. hahaha. They guy catching them at first didn't want to say what they were, when he finally did he told my father, he said he sold them to the LFS's.
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There are at least 3 different seahorse in HI with at least two I know about being native, Hippocampus fisheri and H. kudo. I can't recall the last one, maybe H. hystrix?

Your father saw him catching h. kudos most likely as h. fisheri is pelagic. It's one of many food sources for mahi mahi :)

EDIT: (googled) OK so 1 specimen of H. hystrix found in HI exists but no one has seen another and the one sample is badly degraded.
 
And that's coming from some one that doesn't really like seahorses (to keep himself) and has no idea why he retained that info :p
 
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