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Dbtc thoughts, comments and issues

DaddyHook said:
Another point to discuss. Should retail vendors be able to join a DBTC?
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I agree with most, don’t see why not for DBTC. I think anyone giving a frag to a vendor for DBTC should assume that once the chain is completed, frags will be sold. If the creator of the DBTC is comfortable with that, I don’t see an issue.

As for other aspects of the forum that vendors should or should not be able to take advantage of… that’s a whole different discussion.. but I digress lol
 
B the Nano Reefer said:
I agree with most, don’t see why not for DBTC. I think anyone giving a frag to a vendor for DBTC should assume that once the chain is completed, frags will be sold. If the creator of the DBTC is comfortable with that, I don’t see an issue.

As for other aspects of the forum that vendors should or should not be able to take advantage of… that’s a whole different discussion.. but I digress lol
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Lots of good discussion here. Hopefully folks can make the next BOD meeting and have their voices heard too!
 
B the Nano Reefer said:
I agree with most, don’t see why not for DBTC. I think anyone giving a frag to a vendor for DBTC should assume that once the chain is completed, frags will be sold. If the creator of the DBTC is comfortable with that, I don’t see an issue.

As for other aspects of the forum that vendors should or should not be able to take advantage of… that’s a whole different discussion.. but I digress lol
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I agree with what you’re saying. Especially the second part!
 
derek_SR said:
@richiev you make some interesting arguments but I agree with @RandyC, it's not really about incentives. It wouldn't hurt, certainly - but that's not the root cause of the issue in my mind. If you look at barcode right now, there are a LOT of frags available and a LOT of people who want those frags - they just aren't moving. So I stand by my original thesis that one of the main issues is simple logistics, and a tool or process to minimize the pain of said logistics (like being able to easily coordinate several pickups and dropoffs at once) would help a lot.

Another thing to keep in mind is we need to really get away from any bitterness about "freeloaders." I know you all know this, but a very small percentage of hobbyists are actually successful. Let's say it's 10% for the sake of argument - only 10% of people are going to actually be able to successfully grow out frags and return them. They have good intentions (a very tiny number of folks are just looking to "freeload,") they just lack the success needed to really put back a ton of frags. I think our club can help increase that 10% number over time, but it's always going to be the reality of the hobby. We just need to embrace this for DBTC to be successful. And the more frags we put into it, and the more volume of DBTC that get traded, then that 10% number represents a larger and larger quantity of completed chains and active chains. If we have 10 active chains, maybe 1 will get completed. If we have 100 active chains, maybe 10 will get completed. The latter is healthier and more successful than the former, IMO, even if the 10% rule stays true over time.

Regular DBTC meet ups would help (and be fun), but I was also thinking about leveraging LFS (or local "whales") to act as Amazon lockers. Kenny would do it for us, no doubt - reserve a small section of his frag system for us to drop off DBTC corals and pick them up. If I knew I could drop off 5 frags and pick up 5 frags with a single visit to Kenny...I would be all over it. I bet Robert would support South Bay. My tank could be the drop-off location for the North Bay, etc.

Another thought is the idea of a "common" DBTC chain for very easy/common corals. Do we really need a bunch of different lineaged purple stylo? What if we consolidated these corals into a single DBTC thread with a ton of available frags - ONE chain for purple stylo, ONE chain for red monti cap, etc. Newbies could quickly fill their tank with the easy stuff and it would move some of these swaps from PIF activity into DBTC activity.



In short: 1. volume is good. 2. Ease of coordinating drop offs and pick ups is good. 3. Whales who contribute a ton of frags to the system without bitterness or expectation that all their chains get completed is good.

Of course for very high end corals, #3 maybe doesn't apply - but those will get traded within a pretty small circle anyway. A circle I hope to contribute to and be a part of, but that shouldn't be the heart of DBTC either IMO. @RandyC shouldn't ever be expected to give a frag of Froot Loops to some newbie (give it to me pls), and I think an expectation that a frag of that value gets a chain completed is quite reasonable.
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I totally agree!
 
Ive had a very low showing in the club over the last couple of years. For me this hobby is a very transient ( hopefully i spelled that right ) Most people Ive givin corals too are no longer around. Only a small handful are still around that i know off. Over the years Ive seen people sell off what was givin to them. Going against what the program was all about. Hard to see how that problem can get fixed. Im still floating around but with a very small tank.
 
dochou said:
I totally agree!
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second agree. also, it may be helpful if there were alerts or something to remind dbtc givers/takers of available frags so they can be more proactive organizing movement. is there a system in place to facilitate matching giver/taker? right now i have some dbtc bar tort to put back into dbtc, but not sure the procedure to get it to the next member.
 
Reefer Madness said:
This in itself might be a great idea. Once a month there is a certain place talked about in the beginning of the month that members could plan on meeting at the end of the month to do a DBTC swap. It wouldn't have to be a big event type of thing but just a place members could meet for a hour or so. I'm sure it's not something everyone could do all the time but it would be the consistency of doing it every month that would make DBTC stronger.
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@Arvin R

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Reefer Madness said:
This in itself might be a great idea. Once a month there is a certain place talked about in the beginning of the month that members could plan on meeting at the end of the month to do a DBTC swap. It wouldn't have to be a big event type of thing but just a place members could meet for a hour or so. I'm sure it's not something everyone could do all the time but it would be the consistency of doing it every month that would make DBTC stronger.
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Looking back in old threads it seems the club used to have monthly meetings.
 
Srt4eric said:
Looking back in old threads it seems the club used to have monthly meetings.
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I stopped by arvins place last night on the way home from work and we were talking about this thread and the ideas that were kicked around. That's why I mentioned him for a little extra "encouragement" to get that pool table ready lol
 
Srt4eric said:
Looking back in old threads it seems the club used to have monthly meetings.
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yup. All the clubs did at the time, and we did them at different times so you could attend each one. There was coordination amongst the bay area, central valley and norcal clubs.

But, we had a venue to use monthly.
 
Regular DBTC meetup sounds cool, and it doesn't have to be a high-effort, costly endeavor. It could be as easy as an hour a month at a park that has picnic tables. A thread with details and "What will you guys be bringing?" would make it easier for people to decide whether to go.

If we were to do this I think this would be better as a small handful of local swaps instead of 1 "entire bay area" swap, and we instead try to line up the schedules to be at the same time so that people can taxi corals or visit more than one mini-swap. Makes travel less of a barrier and easier for people to just drop in.
 
tribbitt said:
Regular DBTC meetup sounds cool, and it doesn't have to be a high-effort, costly endeavor. It could be as easy as an hour a month at a park that has picnic tables. A thread with details and "What will you guys be bringing?" would make it easier for people to decide whether to go.

If we were to do this I think this would be better as a small handful of local swaps instead of 1 "entire bay area" swap, and we instead try to line up the schedules to be at the same time so that people can taxi corals or visit more than one mini-swap. Makes travel less of a barrier and easier for people to just drop in.
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Yeah that's what we were talking about was having just a garage kick back type of thing.
 
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