Green cyano I think

[MichaelB]

This was on rocks from the 210gallon tank, from the few rocks i saved from the display that held the nems. I place this and the fish from that tank into a separate biocube32 not to risk spreading anything to my other tanks.

This cyano or green slime was present on the rocks but has since started spreading, i didn't want to try black out due to the designer nems. There are currently only two fish in the tank I could easily consider moving to another tank now that its been several weeks and they are still looking healthy.

Options i have on hand are chemiclean, and reeflux.

Which should I try on this tank?

I also have a biocube32 uv sterilizer I bought to replace the one that was in my main tank to use on the zoa/leather/nem biocube. I have 3 biocubes in total.
I could possibly rig up this uv if it would help.

I also don't have any powerheads in this tank due to all nems, and I don't have any extra ones with nem gaurds at my disposale currently.

 

[H2OPlayar]

I would throw some mechanical filtration on like a filter sock, and use my hand to push it all into the water column, then let it filter out into the sock.

Neat green, I've never seen this one.

 

[derek_SR]

I would try Option #3 - wait and do nothing.

 

[JVU]

I’d do option #4- siphon it out into mesh filter socks in the sump so the water recirculates

 

[richiev]

I'd start by testing params, doing what @H2OPlayar said followed by a water change. Given the small isolated tank, I'd try the blackout and if that doesn't work, wait it out, but chemicals are very effective.

Also not to be a downer, but I'd consider how many tanks is reasonable to upkeep. Having variety is super cool, especially when you can try out nems in one and sps in another and cool fish and and. However, if you're at 3 biocubes + a new nano + still need to setup a 220, it's gonna be virtually impossible to stay on top of them unless it's your full time job or you get them setup where you're ok if one gets cyano takeover for awhile. If there's high touch corals and such you care about in all of them, it'll be very frustrating and eventually the sort of thing that gets people out of the hobby.

I say this as someone who got back into the hobby and ended up with 4 tanks going almost immediately and then ran into too many headaches.

 

[derek_SR]

I'd start by testing params, doing what @H2OPlayar said followed by a water change. Given the small isolated tank, I'd try the blackout and if that doesn't work, wait it out, but chemicals are very effective.

Also not to be a downer, but I'd consider how many tanks is reasonable to upkeep. Having variety is super cool, especially when you can try out nems in one and sps in another and cool fish and and. However, if you're at 3 biocubes + a new nano + still need to setup a 220, it's gonna be virtually impossible to stay on top of them unless it's your full time job or you get them setup where you're ok if one gets cyano takeover for awhile. If there's high touch corals and such you care about in all of them, it'll be very frustrating and eventually the sort of thing that gets people out of the hobby.

I say this as someone who got back into the hobby and ended up with 4 tanks going almost immediately and then ran into too many headaches.

This is partly why Option #3 is so appealing!

 

[MichaelB]

It's a biocube32 so no socks or sump for those options.

I've waited a few weeks and it's seriously getting worse @derek_SR it covers every side of the tank including glass I cleaned the glass in order to take these pictures. If you look close at pic 2 that's how it is on every surface side of the tank before I cleaned the glass and neted it out.

Of first concern could this be dangerous as in toxic to the pj cardinal and wrasse in the tank. Also 2 crabs and a few snails?

 

[MarcosD]

Also not to be a downer, but I'd consider how many tanks is reasonable to upkeep. Having variety is super cool, especially when you can try out nems in one and sps in another and cool fish and and. However, if you're at 3 biocubes + a new nano + still need to setup a 220, it's gonna be virtually impossible to stay on top of them unless it's your full time job or you get them setup where you're ok if one gets cyano takeover for awhile. If there's high touch corals and such you care about in all of them, it'll be very frustrating and eventually the sort of thing that gets people out of the hobby.

I say this as someone who got back into the hobby and ended up with 4 tanks going almost immediately and then ran into too many headaches.

And he still has the low boy to set up lol. I agree with this. I can’t do more than two tanks. Even at two, one gets neglected more than the other for me.

Michael if I recall correctly your plan was to consolidate your bio cubes into the lowboy and just keep the 220G, low boy, and possibly 1 bio cube? And I guess now the budget build nano. If you’re getting rid of two of the bio cubes I’d just ignore the green cyano since you’ll be moving things over soon anyways

 

[MichaelB]

I'd start by testing params, doing what @H2OPlayar said followed by a water change. Given the small isolated tank, I'd try the blackout and if that doesn't work, wait it out, but chemicals are very effective.

Also not to be a downer, but I'd consider how many tanks is reasonable to upkeep. Having variety is super cool, especially when you can try out nems in one and sps in another and cool fish and and. However, if you're at 3 biocubes + a new nano + still need to setup a 220, it's gonna be virtually impossible to stay on top of them unless it's your full time job or you get them setup where you're ok if one gets cyano takeover for awhile. If there's high touch corals and such you care about in all of them, it'll be very frustrating and eventually the sort of thing that gets people out of the hobby.

I say this as someone who got back into the hobby and ended up with 4 tanks going almost immediately and then ran into too many headaches.

To be clear this cyano was already present I didn't wanna put this into my other tanks and start that problem in them, i honestly ignored it when I first put them in that tank as a quarantine of sorts hoping it would possibly go away on it's own. Not neglect of my own doing I don't mean to imply. More a inherted problem from the 200gallon tank.

Would a 3 day black out effect the nems? I Wouldn't want them to die?

 

[dangalang]

Do nothing and see if a ninja turtle emerges from the tank.

 

[MichaelB]

And he still has the low boy to set up lol. I agree with this. I can’t do more than two tanks. Even at two, one gets neglected more than the other for me.

Michael if I recall correctly your plan was to consolidate your bio cubes into the lowboy and just keep the 220G, low boy, and possibly 1 bio cube? And I guess now the budget build nano. If you’re getting rid of two of the bio cubes I’d just ignore the green cyano since you’ll be moving things over soon anyways

Yes i plan to put all the nems in one biocubes all the corals and zoas into low boy. But don’t wanna put things in that tank with the cyano. Yet This cyano tank is the biocube I would be keeping for nems.

 

[Alexander1312]

Aligned with some of the points folks are making here, I tried to make a subtle point about the cost of maintaining a (larger) tank (properly) in another thread.

Cyano, for example, can be managed with keeping certain traces above a certain level, i.e., iodine, bromine, and fluoride, in addition to the infamous nitrate/phosphate ratio. This however requires regular ICP which can become expensive with more frequent testing at least in the beginning, and adding individual traces etc.

There are other drivers where e.g. inexpensive fish food from certain countries also get trace elements out of balance leading to other problems if not detected early enough. So buying high quality food might not make fish look better but can help in other less direct ways.

So, maintaining too many tanks requires a ton of time but specifically larger tanks also add a cost concern or otherwise lead to making sacrifices.

 

[MichaelB]

Aligned with some of the points folks are making here, I tried to make a subtle point about the cost of maintaining a (larger) tank (properly) in another thread.

Cyano, for example, can be managed with keeping certain traces above a certain level, i.e., iodine, bromine, and fluoride, in addition to the infamous nitrate/phosphate ratio. This however requires regular ICP which can become expensive with more frequent testing at least in the beginning, and adding individual traces etc.

There are other drivers where e.g. inexpensive fish food from certain countries also get trace elements out of balance leading to other problems if not detected early enough. So buying high quality food might not make fish look better but can help in other less direct ways.

So, maintaining too many tanks requires a ton of time but specifically larger tanks also add a cost concern or otherwise lead to making sacrifices.

This isn’t really is something I did, as mentioned above the rock came with cyano from the 210gallon tank brake down. These are the only rocks i kept from that tanks displays. I set up this biocube32 not to risk putting any of it or the fish into my existing tanks. So the rocks in short where placed into the tank with cyano already on them. It's just starting to spread more why I'm bringing it up here.

I chose to do nothing assuming it would go away on it's on. Doesn't seem to be going away instead getting worse. I mean if this is something that will eventually go away I'm open to continue doing nothing, just the getting worst part is making my eyebrows twitch some with minor concern.

 

[Arvin R]

This isn’t really is something I did, as mentioned above the rock came with cyano from the 210gallon tank brake down. These are the only rocks i kept from that tanks displays. I set up this biocube32 not to risk putting any of it or the fish into my existing tanks. So the rocks in short where placed into the tank with cyano already on them. It's just starting to spread more why I'm bringing it up here.

I chose to do nothing assuming it would go away on it's on. Doesn't seem to be going away instead getting worse. I mean if this is something that will eventually go away I'm open to continue doing nothing, just the getting worst part is making my eyebrows twitch some with minor concern.

In order for it to go away on its own, the tank needs to have proper nutrient levels, a small population of good bacteria and good flow to keep it from settling onto any of the surfaces in the tank. In terms of helping it go away faster, get a small external pump that you can put an intake hose and outlet hose onto and a 5 micron filter sock. Suck it up and put the outlet through the filter sock back into the tank. *note must be done with a 5 or 10 micron filter sock as I'm confident cyano will just flow right through a normal 200 micron filter sock.

 

[MichaelB]

In order for it to go away on its own, the tank needs to have proper nutrient levels, a small population of good bacteria and good flow to keep it from settling onto any of the surfaces in the tank. In terms of helping it go away faster, get a small external pump that you can put an intake hose and outlet hose onto and a 5 micron filter sock. Suck it up and put the outlet through the filter sock back into the tank. *note must be done with a 5 or 10 micron filter sock as I'm confident cyano will just flow right through a normal 200 micron filter sock.

Thanks I will probably try to swap out a wave maker on the 65gallon that has a nem gaurd to place in this tank. Currently this tank has no wave maker at all in it.

What type of eternal pump would you suggest to use for this. I don't think I have anything that could be considered as a external pump.

 

[JVU]

If it is cyano it will suck out easily (my #4 suggestion above). These things are always a balance. You want to tip the balance away from the pest and towards the benign algae/microbes. Sucking out what you don’t want allows you to restore this balance without nuking anything or doing anything expensive. If it doesn’t suck out easily it also tells you something useful - that it isn’t cyano.

 

[Arvin R]

Thanks I will probably try to swap out a wave maker on the 65gallon that has a nem gaurd to place in this tank. Currently this tank has no wave maker at all in it.

What type of eternal pump would you suggest to use for this. I don't think I have anything that could be considered as a external pump.

Sicce syncra nano works well for smaller tanks.

 

[richiev]

Easiest active solution: take rocks out and remove anemones from rocks (gentle, standard ways, guides online), remove fish. Put fish into a different tank. Put anemones in a different tank; if needed put them in a breeder box to keep them in a controlled spot. Tear down this tank. Nuke rocks. Spend the energy and money on the 200gal.

 

[MichaelB]

Easiest active solution: take rocks out and remove anemones from rocks (gentle, standard ways, guides online), remove fish. Put fish into a different tank. Put anemones in a different tank; if needed put them in a breeder box to keep them in a controlled spot. Tear down this tank. Nuke rocks. Spend the energy and money on the 200gal.

Fish would be easy to move being it's only two of them (only would suck trying to catch them) i have another biocube with only clowns in it they could go to.

The nems would be slightly more of a challenge because it’s at least 10 of them. I've seen people use baskets to hold nems like at cfm. I don't have the room in my other biocube with the zoas to hold a basket that I would estimate large enough to hold all 10 of them like the ones I saw used at cfm anyway. That tank already has at least 8 nems 3 different types in the tank.

Is there a certain amount of space the nems would need in a basket? all of them are all together on the same shelf rock at the top of the tank except a tiny one that moved on to the back glass. That rock would be easy to remove. So more trying to figure out the size basket or breeder box I could get away with using. I have one that's 5inches x 3 inches probably way to small

 

[PjFish]

I don't see any coral on the rocks plus ur BB
Is this tank just a temporary holding tank?
I'd toss the nems in a bucket and completely breakdown the tank scrubbing everything rocks/ tank down with a dish brush with clean rince.. Looks like the back wall has alota grass also . Should only take you 30 min max..Then fill with 100% new heated water and add stock back..toss in a UV maybe lower the light intensity/hours or change to blue light only!!
cyano is a bacteria add some beneficial bacteria like brightwells microbactor 7 or PNSB @Darkxerox to help out compete it..If you have rocks to switch out and let these dry would be best..Idea toss the nems in the new budget build temporary and ditch the 32g bio cube alot easier to do water changes and keep a handle on things in smaller tank.. With changing 5 gallons a week you should have no issues with the nems temporarily.
Do you have a microscope? to check for dinos
Good luck