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Hikari - Bio Pure Mysis

Ask Thales, he's got experience with just about every mysid/mysis product. I do remember something about either them or PE being high is PO4???
 
i keep hearing it's full of po4 and waste and that you have to rinse it.

i've been trucking through it pretty well and rinsing every time. i prefer it to PE since the mysid are smaller but i think i'll go with PE next time. reason why: i think PE is cheaper once you figure in the water you're paying for with hikari
 
In seafood it's very common to bulk weight an item by adding a type of phosphate to the product (by soaking, etc). This gives it more weight in the same amount of volume. I wonder if that is what they are doing? There is no logical reason to add it to the product and the water shouldn't have much at all.
 
yeah i doubt doubt it. i know at least 1/2 of what's in the hikari cubes is water (the top half). the PE stuff looks much more dense and is made in canada and not china.
 
Does Hikari say made in China or is that your assumption? Hikari is a Japanese company. HIkari USA licenses the use of the name from the main Japanese company IIRC.
 
I use the flat sheet not the cube and it made in China. The reason I ask is because I have red slime issue when I start feeding this stuff. I'm not 100% sure that is the cause though. I think I will stop using it when I have time to go buy some other stuff to feed my Banggai.

BTW, I don't rinse it. I just break a piece and toss it in. Never had issue with other brand.
 
I am pretty sure you can have very low PO4 and still have cyanobactaria. Cyano is not an algae, it's a bacteria.
 
Yeah I know it's a bacteria. I'm wondering if there are other crap in these stuff that cause the problem. I haven't have to deal with this issue for a long time. It's just pop up a week after I use this food. Again I don't know if the food causing the problem but I think I will start troubleshooting from there.. Gotta start from somewhere.. :D
 
i assume it's in an area of lower flow. maybe a simple increase will make it go away?

i don't know if this mysid causes it but i've increased my feedings of it and have noticed a little cyano building up in a corner also. i blow a pump on it and it will go away for a few days before starting to build up again.
 
another myth, cyanobacteria doesn't like high flow :) Total urban legend.
 
Yup :) I've seen it in a surge tank that was a 68- with a 300g surge. The shear amount of water being dropped made for quite the high flow tank and it had cyano in many spots, even at the outlet ports.
 
Oh boy here we go again...

Cyanobacteria is one of the few critters on the planet that can utilize inorganic nitrogen as a source of nutrients, in fact IME if your tank is super clean you can still have problems with cyano, Bryopsis, and red poofy death algae. Break the cycle that's all I can say, I did it today in a 240g FO/nem tank.

In regards to what Gresham said, Sodium tripolyphosphate (sp?), and bisulfate are used to keep the product fat and full of moisture, it's used in most of the imported shrimp we buy to eat. Is it in mysis? I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. What is the potency/concentration of the phosphate? Dunno, but I swear I can taste it (not on mysis) in the shrimp we eat so it has to be at a reasonable concentration.
 
tuberider said:
In regards to what Gresham said, Sodium tripolyphosphate (sp?), and bisulfate are used to keep the product fat and full of moisture, it's used in most of the imported shrimp we buy to eat. Is it in mysis? I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. What is the potency/concentration of the phosphate? Dunno, but I swear I can taste it (not on mysis) in the shrimp we eat so it has to be at a reasonable concentration.
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It's used in scallops too. And the QC on the concentration can be pretty poor.

I had a batch of scallops that had so much phosphate that it burned my mouth and gave me stomach pains. And I never get stomach pains from food. The scallops had a sharp soapy taste.

That same batch of scallops killed a Stars and Stripes puffer too.
 
Hikari mysis are great for getting smaller fish to eat. However, they have way less protein than PE mysis. I'll use Hikari to get finiky eaters to eat, but then switch to chopped PE mysis.

PE at least has a ton of P04. We ran some tests last year, don't know where the data is right now, but the upshot was rinse your mysis. :D
 
Rich -does the PE Mysis have more protein (way more) because it is simply larger than the Hikari Bio-Pure Mysis? Or is there something else?
 
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