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Patrick's 81G - the last dance

PjFish said:
Know the feeling! A couple years back walked in with a calf muscle cramp next thing was in the er with a three foot DVT plus an additional PE da boot! That was a roller coaster ride to say the least lol..
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Ohh man that sucks...glad you still around to look back and laugh at it tho!
 
CaseyP said:
You should stay away from reefnbid.com. It's a terrible site which I believe is run by POTO and they post way too many frags every week. I've been conned into bidding on overly nice POTO frags for low prices that makes me feel like i'm stealing from the vendor. Stay away
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Crazy that you mentioned this while I was ordering. I just went through a whole ordeal where FedEx delayed 2 priority overnight shipments. One being as long as 5 days.

POTO got that awesome 14 day guarantee and honored it the first time. Sent me out a whole new set of frags piggybacking with another reefnBid order. Then FedEx struck again.

I though all was lost because they don't replace replacements, but Jessica at POTO sent me a new pack with everything in it again, this time via UPS.

Ive ordered numerous frags from alot of big vendors, none would have done that, even if I showed it RTN'd in the bag.

Reefnbid / POTO's service is, by far, the best experience with a coral vendor online. Glad we got establishments that still put value in customer service...especially when things go wrong.
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FinalPhaze987 said:
Crazy that you mentioned this while I was ordering. I just went through a whole ordeal where FedEx delayed 2 priority overnight shipments. One being as long as 5 days.

POTO got that awesome 14 day guarantee and honored it the first time. Sent me out a whole new set of frags piggybacking with another reefnBid order. Then FedEx struck again.

I though all was lost because they don't replace replacements, but Jessica at POTO sent me a new pack with everything in it again, this time via UPS.

Ive ordered numerous frags from alot of big vendors, none would have done that, even if I showed it RTN'd in the bag.

Reefnbid / POTO's service is, by far, the best experience with a coral vendor online. Glad we got establishments that still put value in customer service...especially when things go wrong.View attachment 73563View attachment 73564View attachment 73565
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That's a buttload of frags! You're going to have to frag every other day soon to prevent them from attacking each other. ;)
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
Crazy that you mentioned this while I was ordering. I just went through a whole ordeal where FedEx delayed 2 priority overnight shipments. One being as long as 5 days.

POTO got that awesome 14 day guarantee and honored it the first time. Sent me out a whole new set of frags piggybacking with another reefnBid order. Then FedEx struck again.

I though all was lost because they don't replace replacements, but Jessica at POTO sent me a new pack with everything in it again, this time via UPS.

Ive ordered numerous frags from alot of big vendors, none would have done that, even if I showed it RTN'd in the bag.

Reefnbid / POTO's service is, by far, the best experience with a coral vendor online. Glad we got establishments that still put value in customer service...especially when things go wrong.View attachment 73563View attachment 73564View attachment 73565
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That's gonna look great grown out!
 
RandyC said:
That's a buttload of frags! You're going to have to frag every other day soon to prevent them from attacking each other. ;)
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Yea mann...things got outta hand during POTOs anniversary sale...like irresponsibly, outta hand...2 frags turned into ten then became 20..I didn't realize it because they were all on separate invoices..when I got the shipment in I was the one saying WTF did I do??? Lol

All good. It'll be more to share with the successful stick heads on here.

Mike Yasin said:
That's gonna look great grown out!
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Thanks Mike. It's all the waiting game for me now..there's a couple eyesores I can't wait to grow out. My browned out Acroiris looks like it just gave someone a dirty sanchez..I keep having to tell myself that Graham started off the same way with that cora and to give it time. Good thing I'm in it for the long haul
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
Yea mann...things got outta hand during POTOs anniversary sale...like irresponsibly, outta hand...2 frags turned into ten then became 20..I didn't realize it because they were all on separate invoices..when I got the shipment in I was the one saying WTF did I do??? Lol

All good. It'll be more to share with the successful stick heads on here.


Thanks Mike. It's all the waiting game for me now..there's a couple eyesores I can't wait to grow out. My browned out Acroiris looks like it just gave someone a dirty sanchez..I keep having to tell myself that Graham started off the same way with that cora and to give it time. Good thing I'm in it for the long haul
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Graham does an amazing job- i think everything splices in his tank - I have several from him.

Since you’re this far in, I’d recommend you go to moonshiners website and get yourself an MS ICP test, and Organo test, and a biome test. That’s the most comprehensive testing methodology out there. Great baselines for everything you can think of that’s important to SPS health.
 
Mike Yasin said:
Graham does an amazing job- i think everything splices in his tank - I have several from him.

Since you’re this far in, I’d recommend you go to moonshiners website and get yourself an MS ICP test, and Organo test, and a biome test. That’s the most comprehensive testing methodology out there. Great baselines for everything you can think of that’s important to SPS health.
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Ive been using the ATI MS recently and plan on a quarterly cadence once I can nail down my flouride and zinc deficiency. Biome test will be performed soon, waiting for later in the year to see the difference from my initial one done a few months ago. I haven't looked in to the Organo test tho. Ill check it out. Thx for the recs!

dangalang said:
How's the Ultra Reef skimmer?
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That thing is a beast of a skimmer. Had to dial it down because I thing I grossly over sized it. With the AC pump it was quite noisy, but after the DC conversion its great. Did you end up picking up a down draft skimmer for yours?
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
That thing is a beast of a skimmer. Had to dial it down because I thing I grossly over sized it. With the AC pump it was quite noisy, but after the DC conversion its great. Did you end up picking up a down draft skimmer for yours?
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No still in research phase for the bigger tank. Build quality on the Ultra Reef looks really nice on the videos I've seen.
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
Ive been using the ATI MS recently and plan on a quarterly cadence once I can nail down my flouride and zinc deficiency. Biome test will be performed soon, waiting for later in the year to see the difference from my initial one done a few months ago. I haven't looked in to the Organo test tho. Ill check it out. Thx for the recs!


That thing is a beast of a skimmer. Had to dial it down because I thing I grossly over sized it. With the AC pump it was quite noisy, but after the DC conversion it’s great. Did you end up picking up a down draft skimmer for yours?
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I used the ATI for a while, too. The Oceamo MS is so much more comprehensive and gets you all elements readings as opposed to the ATI “ND”. Super granular
 
dangalang said:
No still in research phase for the bigger tank. Build quality on the Ultra Reef looks really nice on the videos I've seen.
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Build quality is on par with royal exclusiv, just a little heavier. The packaging isn't as nice, but that ends up as garbage anyway. Replacement pumps are way less, which was a big thing for me. The sicce DC pump would run me $300 vs. An easy $700 for a replacement Red Dragon.

Mike Yasin said:
I used the ATI for a while, too. The Oceamo MS is so much more comprehensive and gets you all elements readings as opposed to the ATI “ND”. Super granular
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I gotta try that out. How was the turn around in getting your results?
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
Build quality is on par with royal exclusiv, just a little heavier. The packaging isn't as nice, but that ends up as garbage anyway. Replacement pumps are way less, which was a big thing for me. The sicce DC pump would run me $300 vs. An easy $700 for a replacement Red Dragon.


I gotta try that out. How was the turn around in getting your results?
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I send it out on Saturday or Monday, so it's at the TX hub by Friday and on that night's flight to Austria. generally have results back on the following Thursday.
 
Alexander1312 said:
From Sat or Monday until the following week Thursday? Meaning approx 11+ days? That is even longer than the Fauna results.
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Mike Yasin said:
Yeah. The sample goes to Texas and from there is sent to Austria. Have to wait if you want the best i guess
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The fastest I've find found for Oceamo is when I drop off in person at the post office Friday morning, I'll get results the following Thursday.
 
Alexander1312 said:
From Sat or Monday until the following week Thursday? Meaning approx 11+ days? That is even longer than the Fauna results.
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One of the ways I measure success in an SPS dominated tank is consistency and stability. Once a system is dialed in fairly well, results in 11 days shouldn't require any major knee-jerk adjustments to correct. The degree of correction for a 5 day variance in results should be negligible if done right.

ICP is fairly new and wasn't widely available to hobbyists until recently, we were able to grow acros just fine.
dangalang said:
The fastest I've find found for Oceamo is when I drop off in person at the post office Friday morning, I'll get results the following Thursday.
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That turn around sounds in line with ATI, which i found more useful than trident due to more data being provided. If oceamo dives deeper, this sounds like it will be my go to for test moving forward.

Mike Yasin said:
Yeah. The sample goes to Texas and from there is sent to Austria. Have to wait if you want the best i guess
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Thank you for recommending. I'm going to give them a shot and see how it goes.
 
dangalang said:
The fastest I've find found for Oceamo is when I drop off in person at the post office Friday morning, I'll get results the following Thursday.
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That is actually very good to know, thank you. I do not believe MS is really needed or indeed the best method for all parameters, but Fauna has been offering MS as an upgrade for the past 2-3 months (+30 USD), and I tried it out to see how some of the less relevant parameters are doing. Definetly not something I am interested in to book for every monthly ICP or even more than every 6-12 months.

But it is a feasible alternative as I am currently deliberating switching for ICP testing due to the long shipping times (10 days until results) that Fauna cannot fix immediately, despite my multiple complaints. And Oceamo is really the only good alternative.
 
FinalPhaze987 said:
One of the ways I measure success in an SPS dominated tank is consistency and stability. Once a system is dialed in fairly well, results in 11 days shouldn't require any major knee-jerk adjustments to correct. The degree of correction for a 5 day variance in results should be negligible if done right.

ICP is fairly new and wasn't widely available to hobbyists until recently, we were able to grow acros just fine.
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Consistent and stable out of sync parameters would still not be desirable though :)? Some parameters are not as reliable anymore after 10 days, and I just do not like to pay for something which has diminished value. And, it delays the process of dialing in the tank specifically if you make changes and want to see their impact quickly, and make the adjustments. So the shipping concern is a bit broader for me. But I agree, the results are still useful and for the the most important parameters it does not make a difference.

ICP was introduced by Triton in 2008 from what I read, and I wish I would agree that this is a fairly new :) (since time flies too quickly at my age). The argument that you could run a tank without this does not resonate with me, since it limited the ability to run successful tanks to a few enthuiasts that love the challenge of trial and error. ICP, with all its disadvantages (rabbit hole issues etc) enabled a broader population to run nice tanks with more difficult corals quicker, in my opinion.
 
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