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Dan's RSR-S 850 Mixed Reef

One of the most anticipated journal updates. Great that you will restart doing it as you are certainly a master level coral grower many of us can learn from (and I know you are using Kalk :)..).

I do think though posting failures is as insightful as successes, and it would have been very interesting to get a better understanding of the dino issues. Lots of folks with mature tanks do not know what people who are starting a new tank are going through and recommend stuff that may or may not work (hint: nassarius snails are not the answer :)…).

Looking forward to more updates!
 
One of the most anticipated journal updates. Great that you will restart doing it as you are certainly a master level coral grower many of us can learn from (and I know you are using Kalk :)..).

I do think though posting failures is as insightful as successes, and it would have been very interesting to get a better understanding of the dino issues. Lots of folks with mature tanks do not know what people who are starting a new tank are going through and recommend stuff that may or may not work (hint: nassarius snails are not the answer :)…).

Looking forward to more updates!
Thanks for the kind words, Alex! To your point on kalk, I removed my ATO over a year ago and simply have my daily kalkwasser (continuously dosed) dialed in to my evaporation rate. So for daily alkalinity/calcium, I have:
  • 5 liters of fully saturated kalkwasser
  • 100ml of ESV part A and 100ml of ESV part B
  • 20ml of Tropic Marin All For Reef
    • I could dose more ESV, but I know AFR has trace elements that I thought would be beneficial to add to the mix
Regarding the dinos, the most frustrating part for me was knowing they were almost certainly caused by my nutrients bottoming out. In hindsight it was likely preventable. Unfortunately I waited a few weeks after the dinos appeared to take the issue seriously when I noticed coral losses. I ran tests and found that my phosphate levels had hit 0.00. Normally, my tank runs at 0.08–0.12, and I’ve never needed to dose phosphates or use removal methods like lanthanum. After confirming the 0.00 readings multiple times with the Hanna checker, I began dosing phosphate to raise the level to 0.05, but by the next day, it was back to 0.00. The following day, I dosed enough to reach 0.10, but again, the reading dropped to 0.00 by the next day. Something in the tank—whether dinos, algae, or corals—was consuming the phosphates almost immediately. Eventually, I was able to stabilize the phosphate levels, and with the addition of a UV sterilizer, the dinos were eradicated, allowing the tank to recover. Since then, I’ve been testing phosphate and nitrate weekly to ensure the levels never bottom out again. One of the painful lessons that cost me thousands in designer SPS :(
 
Did you have any dry rocks added into the system at the same time as the transfer? @Ayman ran into the same issue when adding new dry sand without curing it and I've seen others add fresh Marco or other dry rock and trigger a bloom.

Plus you went up in size, so the new water may have effectively diluted any nutrients out, and new rock absorbing things too.

Appreciate you telling your story! What kind of lighting setup are you using now? Looks like maybe blades plus radions?
 
Did you have any dry rocks added into the system at the same time as the transfer? @Ayman ran into the same issue when adding new dry sand without curing it and I've seen others add fresh Marco or other dry rock and trigger a bloom.
I only added live rock from my existing system. When I knew I was going to upgrade, I added more rock to my 425 to start culturing it so I'd have more for the transfer.

Plus you went up in size, so the new water may have effectively diluted any nutrients out, and new rock absorbing things too.
I actually used water from my 425 to ensure the new tank had normal levels of phosphates and nitrates. I was transferring 25 gallons a week from the 425, so the process took nearly two months. However, I realize now that I should have been testing the nutrient levels in the new tank as well. I assumed everything was fine since I was testing the nitrates and phosphates in the 425 weekly.

Appreciate you telling your story! What kind of lighting setup are you using now? Looks like maybe blades plus radions?
It's likely a bit overkill but I have 4 Radion XR30s and 2 57" AI Blade Grows. The XR30s give the punch and the blades give next coverage/spread.
 
Two years since my last post! So quite a gap to cover here...

About two years ago I decided to upgrade to a Red Sea Reefer-S 850:
  • Display Tank Dimensions - 71"L x 25.6"H x 26.75"W
  • Display Tank Volume - 180 Gallons
  • Total System Volume - 225 Gallons
Here's a pic of the tank and plumbing when I was setting it up in March 2023:
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To try and minimize the pain of the transfer, I spent weeks leading up to the move transferring water from my RSR 425XL to the 850 – that way I knew the water in the 850 had a healthy nutrient ratio as well as the right parameters. I also moved over 7-year-old live rock from my 425 sump to seed the 850 as well. I put a ton of thought into this transfer and tried to be extra patient, but unfortunately when I did the 425->850 transfer, the 850 got dinos and wiped out all of my SPS colonies. It was really heartbreaking throwing out grapefruit sized colonies of walt disney, homewrecker, etc. and some even bigger colonies of oregon tort, TSA bill murray, etc. It's a big reason why I didn't post on this thread for so long. I fragged what I could of the dying colonies and banked some with some friends, but basically it was a reset for my SPS (my LPS made it through). In hindsight, I should have ID'd the dinos right away and started UV since it was the free floating kind. I thought my tank would mature through it, but that hubris really bit me.

Anyway, here's the tank in July 2023 shortly after all the SPS colonies died and the tank was effectively reset:
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I kept the aquascape minimal and low as I knew I wanted to grow more SPS. I'll try to share more about the journey between then and now, but here are a few pictures from this weekend (all SPS were grown from 1" frags in less than 2 years):
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When the tank hits two years, I'll try to clean it up more for a better picture. I also have a ton of frag racks which isn't pleasing to the eye but I'm thinking about plumbing in a separate frag system so hopefully at some point this year all of those frag racks will be gone so I can make my display a display again :)
Nice update! I bought that 425 from you awhile back, I have since sold it but it was a nice tank! I didn’t even notice you had a tank journal on it, crazy to see its potential because I was never able to fill it with corals like you did lol.
 
I figured I'd take some time to jot down my thoughts on husbandry in case anyone finds the content useful or if others have critiques :)

Water Testing
One of the main pillars of my husbandry is regular water testing and consistent water changes. I test alkalinity twice daily using the Alkatronic and cross-check Alk weekly with a Hanna Checker to ensure the Alkatronic readings are accurate and aren't drifting over time. I also check salinity weekly, which I think is an often-overlooked practice. For this, I rely on the Tropic Marin high-precision hydrometer, avoiding issues with hand refractometers or unreliable readings from devices like the Milwaukee refractometer, which I’ve had problems with in the past even after regular calibration. Even if it's a bit of a pain to use, I take solace in the fact that I know I can trust the high-precision hydrometer's readings. I also test phosphates and nitrates every week and keep track of the results. Again, a bit of a pain, but I believe I'm able to have a strong feel for my tank when I can see how alk/phosphates/nitrates are trending. Tank observation is also a key part of this, but the testing approach is data-driven and is objective.

Water Changes
Water changes are the second biggest part of my husbandry routine, and the amount I do each week depends on my nutrient levels. I aim to keep nitrates between 7-12ppm and phosphates between 0.07 and 0.12, with the goal of maintaining stability within those ranges. If nutrients are creeping toward the higher end, I’ll do a larger water change—around 30-50 gallons. But if they’re in the middle or lower range, I’ll stick to a smaller water change, like 5-10 gallons. This might involve siphoning detritus or replenishing my frag tank with water from the display, which is a great way to keep my frag tank’s parameters stable.

Managing Nutrients
I also use feeding to manage nutrients. If my nutrients are low, I’ll increase feeding, often adding more nori to the tank if phosphates are running low. I'll also take my filter roller offline for a few days if nutrients are lower than I'd like. If nutrients are running high, I’ll adjust in other ways, like dosing bacteria (ex: prodibio biodigest) or increasing wet skimming over dry skimming in addition to water changes. I also tweak my carbon dosing. I typically dose 3ml of Tropic Marin carbon daily, but I’ll fine-tune it as needed to keep nutrient levels stable.

Trace Elements
When it comes to trace elements, I started incorporating the Moonshiners method to some extent last year. I don’t think it’s essential or something most reefers need to focus on, as there are usually more impactful ways to improve a tank. However, for me, I wanted to explore optimization to see if I could enhance coloration and polyp extension, especially with SPS corals. My approach to trace elements involves using additives that already contain them, like ESV-2 Part and Tropic Marin All-For-Reef and also making corrective doses (typically potassium, strontium, flouride) based on quarterly ICP test results. I do some daily dosing, particularly manganese and iron, since those consistently test at zero. Anecdotally, I’ve heard manganese is important for Goniopora, and in my own experience, daily dosing it seems to result in happier gonis with better polyp extension. Right now, I’m experimenting with creating a cocktail of trace elements (specifically based on my tank's consumption) that provides a month or more’s supply for daily dosing. My goal is to simplify the process because it’s a hassle to pull out a syringe every day to dose something like 0.5ml of manganese every day.

Equipment Cleaning

I try to stay proactive about maintaining my equipment, but I wouldn’t say I’m overly meticulous about it. For instance, I clean my return pumps once or twice a year and my MP40s every couple of months to keep them free of algae and running efficiently. Since I use a Versa pump for continuous Kalkwasser dosing, I make it a point to replace the tubing every three months. I keep track of all of this including how often I'm changing out my RO membrane, carbon blocks, and DI resin as well, which helps ensure I'm not going to long without doing so.

When I look back at the issues my tanks have faced over the years, I can almost always trace them to going too long without a water change, skipping water testing, or becoming lazy with husbandry in some way. For me, staying connected to my tank—understanding how much I’m feeding, where nutrient levels are trending, and what the alkalinity demand is—helps me stay in tune with the corals, the fish, and the system as a whole. This is my personal recipe for success, though I recognize there are many other ways to thrive in this hobby. This is just what works for me.
 
I also check salinity weekly, which I think is an often-overlooked practice. For this, I rely on the Tropic Marin high-precision hydrometer, avoiding issues with hand refractometers or unreliable readings from devices like the Milwaukee refractometer, which I’ve had problems with in the past even after regular calibration. Even if it's a bit of a pain to use, I take solace in the fact that I know I can trust the high-precision hydrometer's readings.
Preach brotha! I don't trust any other way to measure salinity.
 
Awesome write up! Thank you
Wondering besides BAR do you sell your corals elsewhere?
No I don’t ship corals or attend coral shows. With a demanding job and two young kids, I try to optimize for what's convenient for me. Living in San Rafael makes coral pick-ups tricky though given most people live in the East or South Bay so when the kids get a bit older/easier, I plan to start making the trips to the East Bay again to meet up with people who want to buy from.

I do plan on setting up a small website soon though to feature pictures of my mother colonies along with their lineage, showing where I sourced them from. I think it would provide valuable information for anyone buying from me.
 
I figured I'd take some time to jot down my thoughts on husbandry in case anyone finds the content useful or if others have critiques :)

Water Testing
One of the main pillars of my husbandry is regular water testing and consistent water changes. I test alkalinity twice daily using the Alkatronic and cross-check Alk weekly with a Hanna Checker to ensure the Alkatronic readings are accurate and aren't drifting over time. I also check salinity weekly, which I think is an often-overlooked practice. For this, I rely on the Tropic Marin high-precision hydrometer, avoiding issues with hand refractometers or unreliable readings from devices like the Milwaukee refractometer, which I’ve had problems with in the past even after regular calibration. Even if it's a bit of a pain to use, I take solace in the fact that I know I can trust the high-precision hydrometer's readings. I also test phosphates and nitrates every week and keep track of the results. Again, a bit of a pain, but I believe I'm able to have a strong feel for my tank when I can see how alk/phosphates/nitrates are trending. Tank observation is also a key part of this, but the testing approach is data-driven and is objective.

Water Changes
Water changes are the second biggest part of my husbandry routine, and the amount I do each week depends on my nutrient levels. I aim to keep nitrates between 7-12ppm and phosphates between 0.07 and 0.12, with the goal of maintaining stability within those ranges. If nutrients are creeping toward the higher end, I’ll do a larger water change—around 30-50 gallons. But if they’re in the middle or lower range, I’ll stick to a smaller water change, like 5-10 gallons. This might involve siphoning detritus or replenishing my frag tank with water from the display, which is a great way to keep my frag tank’s parameters stable.

Managing Nutrients
I also use feeding to manage nutrients. If my nutrients are low, I’ll increase feeding, often adding more nori to the tank if phosphates are running low. I'll also take my filter roller offline for a few days if nutrients are lower than I'd like. If nutrients are running high, I’ll adjust in other ways, like dosing bacteria (ex: prodibio biodigest) or increasing wet skimming over dry skimming in addition to water changes. I also tweak my carbon dosing. I typically dose 3ml of Tropic Marin carbon daily, but I’ll fine-tune it as needed to keep nutrient levels stable.

Trace Elements
When it comes to trace elements, I started incorporating the Moonshiners method to some extent last year. I don’t think it’s essential or something most reefers need to focus on, as there are usually more impactful ways to improve a tank. However, for me, I wanted to explore optimization to see if I could enhance coloration and polyp extension, especially with SPS corals. My approach to trace elements involves using additives that already contain them, like ESV-2 Part and Tropic Marin All-For-Reef and also making corrective doses (typically potassium, strontium, flouride) based on quarterly ICP test results. I do some daily dosing, particularly manganese and iron, since those consistently test at zero. Anecdotally, I’ve heard manganese is important for Goniopora, and in my own experience, daily dosing it seems to result in happier gonis with better polyp extension. Right now, I’m experimenting with creating a cocktail of trace elements (specifically based on my tank's consumption) that provides a month or more’s supply for daily dosing. My goal is to simplify the process because it’s a hassle to pull out a syringe every day to dose something like 0.5ml of manganese every day.

Equipment Cleaning

I try to stay proactive about maintaining my equipment, but I wouldn’t say I’m overly meticulous about it. For instance, I clean my return pumps once or twice a year and my MP40s every couple of months to keep them free of algae and running efficiently. Since I use a Versa pump for continuous Kalkwasser dosing, I make it a point to replace the tubing every three months. I keep track of all of this including how often I'm changing out my RO membrane, carbon blocks, and DI resin as well, which helps ensure I'm not going to long without doing so.

When I look back at the issues my tanks have faced over the years, I can almost always trace them to going too long without a water change, skipping water testing, or becoming lazy with husbandry in some way. For me, staying connected to my tank—understanding how much I’m feeding, where nutrient levels are trending, and what the alkalinity demand is—helps me stay in tune with the corals, the fish, and the system as a whole. This is my personal recipe for success, though I recognize there are many other ways to thrive in this hobby. This is just what works for me.
Finally husbandry practices I can very much relate to and which serve as great advice for folks who are new to the hobby or are less successful and want to try a different approach. I could literally copy and paste these into my journal except the trace elements part which is more a matter of preference than a difference in philosophy except Kalk haha), although I am also on the same path of simplification which is not easy to achieve unless you let go on precision.

The point on salinity and the accuracy of the Milwaukee refractometer is something which I have also shared in my journal. However, there is way to get the Milwaukee pretty much on point accurate but it is not as straightforward as it implies to be, and the hydrometer might be a simpler choice after all.

Managanese and Iron show in most tanks 0 - unless they are overdosed or the ICP sample is taken right after dosing or water change - as they tend to not stay stable in seawater.
 
I just got mine too but I feel like I'm going to break it all the time, it's so big/heavy!
It's definitely a bit clunky. I typically turn off all the pumps in my display and just float it there, but if someone has a better way to do it I'm all ears!

Finally husbandry practices I can very much relate to and which serve as great advice for folks who are new to the hobby or are less successful and want to try a different approach. I could literally copy and paste these into my journal except the trace elements part which is more a matter of preference than a difference in philosophy except Kalk haha), although I am also on the same path of simplification which is not easy to achieve unless you let go on precision.

The point on salinity and the accuracy of the Milwaukee refractometer is something which I have also shared in my journal. However, there is way to get the Milwaukee pretty much on point accurate but it is not as straightforward as it implies to be, and the hydrometer might be a simpler choice after all.

Managanese and Iron show in most tanks 0 - unless they are overdosed or the ICP sample is taken right after dosing or water change - as they tend to not stay stable in seawater.
Thanks, Alex! I agree dosing trace elements is not necessary and even breaks my own rule of "don't dose anything that you aren't testing for". Even though I send in ICP tests somewhat regularly, I always dose half the recommended amount to play it safe. Also agree that magnanese and iron should be at 0 in ICP tests – given how fast they're consumed, if you have readings above 0 it probably means you're overdosing.

Re the Milwaukee refractometer – when I first got mine, I thought it was the best $100 I ever spent. I used it religiously for years, but eventually it drifted without me knowing. Even though I was calibrating before every use, the readings were off by 0.04 (I thought my tank was 1.025, but it was 1.029). And once I lose faith in a device's accuracy, I move onto something else I can trust. For similar reasons, I went through 3 Tridents in 3 years until eventually giving up and moving to the alkatronic.
 
It's definitely a bit clunky. I typically turn off all the pumps in my display and just float it there, but if someone has a better way to do it I'm all ears!


Thanks, Alex! I agree dosing trace elements is not necessary and even breaks my own rule of "don't dose anything that you aren't testing for". Even though I send in ICP tests somewhat regularly, I always dose half the recommended amount to play it safe. Also agree that magnanese and iron should be at 0 in ICP tests – given how fast they're consumed, if you have readings above 0 it probably means you're overdosing.

Re the Milwaukee refractometer – when I first got mine, I thought it was the best $100 I ever spent. I used it religiously for years, but eventually it drifted without me knowing. Even though I was calibrating before every use, the readings were off by 0.04 (I thought my tank was 1.025, but it was 1.029). And once I lose faith in a device's accuracy, I move onto something else I can trust. For similar reasons, I went through 3 Tridents in 3 years until eventually giving up and moving to the alkatronic.
Just for the record, I agree to not dose what you are not testing for, but I do believe dosing trace elements is (unfortunately) necessary if you want to see the additional results. The level of precision to get them to ideal values is debatable, but there are ranges within these should fall, some having a higher tolerance than others. ESV is not my preference as it seems to be too strong but for a full built out tank with a lot of consumption, probably less problematic and produces great success as seen in your (and Derek’s) tank.

Good to know about the milwaukee. Mine is getting to the 3 year mark, and I did lose confidence in mine too when I used the PPT measurements, but since switching to PSU, ICP consistently matches what I am measuring (specific gravity is not my go to salinity parameter). And these devices unfortunately have a disclosed accuracy tolerance, which is wider than we are willing to accept. I might try this highly praised hydrometer too at one point. I am just not good with not breaking things…
 
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