DBTC: Big R WD

[psidriven]

I would like a frag of this one.

@Krak256, @psidriven, have requested a frag.

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[FooFtr]

This is not what Bay Area reefers should represent. How do you determine if new members are freeloading? Our community should be focused on learning, sharing, and growing together, not on gatekeeping or passing judgment based on skill levels. Everyone starts somewhere, and that’s how we all improve.

I imagine your reef tank must be the best in the Bay Area, given how critical you always are. Some of you might want to consider making real friends outside of this forum.

Edgar,

Thanks for articulating what a lot of us are thinking.

That's what I thought this club represented too but maybe it has changed.
Someone mentioned the term 'coral snob' but I didn't think that was this club.
Maybe those people should take their little clique and start their own - this isn't high school.
Based on some of the comments I've seen on this site, coral trolls might be a real thing. LOL

Most clubs wouldn't exist without new members at differing skill levels, and if they don't feel this is a 'safe space' for them, then this club will eventually dry up from the salt spray.

 

[Srt4eric]

Lots of dbtcs used to have a lot of rules. Its up to the maker to set the rules. Most people just start a dbtc when instead a pif would be better. Theres a bunch of dbtcs that ive started that I wished I was a little stricter because all the pieces are now gone. In the end its up to the maker.

If you dont agree with the rules just move on to the next "free" frag.

 

[jhuynh]

Lots of dbtcs used to have a lot of rules. Its up to the maker to set the rules. Most people just start a dbtc when instead a pif would be better. Theres a bunch of dbtcs that ive started that I wished I was a little stricter because all the pieces are now gone. In the end its up to the maker.

If you dont agree with the rules just move on to the next "free" frag.

i thought my original rules were strict, but some members here still use them with some modifications.

my original rules and must follow my rules:

1. At least two frags from this acro should be offered through DBTC before you do whatever else you want with your extra frags.
2. People who have offered frags on this thread get first dibs on next frags (should something happen to theirs).
3. IMPORTANT - Must have a tank journal and reasonable SUCCESS KEEPING SPS FOR OVER A YEAR.
4. Whoever is interested please put your name down or PM me, I will pick who will will get a frag - using BarCode doesn't guarantee you a frag, but gives me an idea that you are interested.
5. Must have a 40g or larger tank and no anemones in it - no exceptions.
6. BOD members are exempt from my rules for their hard work on this forum.
7. If anyone sells their piece before completing their chain, I will revoke and stop any future DTBC and close out currently ones I have open.
8. Current contributing DBTC'ers who have over 5 DBTC chains or have put back at least 5 frags (according to BarCode) will have priority in joining my chain.

@Mike Yasin just took it to another level.

 

[FooFtr]

Lots of dbtcs used to have a lot of rules. Its up to the maker to set the rules. Most people just start a dbtc when instead a pif would be better. Theres a bunch of dbtcs that ive started that I wished I was a little stricter because all the pieces are now gone. In the end its up to the maker.

If you dont agree with the rules just move on to the next "free" frag.

Eric,

Let's not get this confused: It's less about the rules, but more about the condescension.

"It's my coral, it's my rules"

Fine, you have every right to feel that way. But when a member with a Napolean complex feels the need to talk down to others, that's not cool.

The terms 'freeloading', 'inadequate skills', and 'piling on my DBTCs' are and should be offensive to every club member.

If you post a DBTC (for the likes and to pump up your ego), then belittle others that you assume aren't at your 'level' -- that should be against the bylaws of every club.

Make no mistake, there are no hurt feelings here, just the expectation of mutual respect within the club.

@Edgar Sandoval @RandyC

 

[jhuynh]

Eric,

Let's not get this confused: It's less about the rules, but more about the condescension.

"It's my coral, it's my rules"

Fine, you have every right to feel that way. But when a member with a Napolean complex feels the need to talk down to others, that's not cool.

The terms 'freeloading', 'inadequate skills', and 'piling on my DBTCs' are and should be offensive to every club member.

If you post a DBTC (for the likes and to pump up your ego), then belittle others that you assume aren't at your 'level' -- that should be against the bylaws of every club.

Make no mistake, there are no hurt feelings here, just the expectation of mutual respect within the club.

@Edgar Sandoval @RandyC

from my experience.. i did try to share the passion with a bigR WD a few years ago - only cause the originator passed. i did have my rules and picked who i think fit it. i did pass out about 9 frags through barcode and also about 6 sps secretly on the side. do you know how many survived? ZERO! even passed some to BOD during that time. when my piece died, no back up.. nothing. I had to buy another piece.

As for mikes strict rules, i understand since he wants a true banker who can do it. I myself can do it, but he is already in our "clique" and we already have that sps in our collection. He's just trying to expand his horizon to seek out other bankers.

DBTC isnt for everyone, especially when it comes to high ends. you'll have drama once a high end comes into play.

 

[Turkeysammich]

To everyone posting in this thread or anyone reading this thread in the future.

We all want the same thing - an awesome coral.
You really gotta ask yourself tho. Do you possess the skill set to grow this beautiful creature ? It’s very easy to say yes and click the request button. It’s also easy for the frag to RTN.
If we do not Honor the request of the generous person offering the coral. But instead argue amongst ourselves. It will detour future people to offer such generous gifts. The only people that will suffer is our future self.

Daymn. Was that Hella Zen or what. I was like Erin in that moment of clarity. Hahahaha.

 

[Coral reefer]

Eric,

Let's not get this confused: It's less about the rules, but more about the condescension.

"It's my coral, it's my rules"

Fine, you have every right to feel that way. But when a member with a Napolean complex feels the need to talk down to others, that's not cool.

The terms 'freeloading', 'inadequate skills', and 'piling on my DBTCs' are and should be offensive to every club member.

If you post a DBTC (for the likes and to pump up your ego), then belittle others that you assume aren't at your 'level' -- that should be against the bylaws of every club.

Make no mistake, there are no hurt feelings here, just the expectation of mutual respect within the club.

@Edgar Sandoval @RandyC

I hear you, but also feel like you are not viewing others as having the best of intentions and making some assumptions which could be true, or not.
Let’s try to realize all of us here have more in common with each other than we do with almost everyone else in the world, and try to realize we ARE members of the same club and into the same hobby. Let’s assume the best of each other and meet in person as much as possible and talk through our differing opinions calmly.
This club rules. Make no mistake. I’m glad you’re here, and expressing your opinion. Let’s be kind though. Asking people to follow rules when you’re giving away animals that are not only alive, but valuable seems reasonable to me. Being mean isn’t great. Being passionate is a really close bus stop away from being mean. But let’s step back, realize we all are basically doing the same stuff here, and work together and assume the best of each other.
Telling someone they seem like they could use some more experience before asking for a super high end frag isn’t a jerk move. But how you do it can be seen as one. Seeing something in a bad light doesn’t make it so. Let’s be kind and grow some corals and share them!

 

[RandyC]

DBTC isnt for everyone, especially when it comes to high ends. you'll have drama once a high end comes into play.

You'll have drama if you make drama. Ever wonder why it's always the same people that get caught up in shit like this?

Let’s be kind and grow some corals and share them!

If that was the feeling that was portrayed by the DBTC rules stated, I don't think there would be an issue @Coral reefer. If that was the intention, it most certainly did not come across that way.

 

[RandyC]

To everyone posting in this thread or anyone reading this thread in the future.

We all want the same thing - an awesome coral.
You really gotta ask yourself tho. Do you possess the skill set to grow this beautiful creature ? It’s very easy to say yes and click the request button. It’s also easy for the frag to RTN.
If we do not Honor the request of the generous person offering the coral. But instead argue amongst ourselves. It will detour future people to offer such generous gifts. The only people that will suffer is our future self.

Daymn. Was that Hella Zen or what. I was like Erin in that moment of clarity. Hahahaha.

Look, I'm happy to see people share corals through DBTC and appreciate people going out of their way to do so, but when rules are so strict that something like 2 people are going to be able to be "approved," what really is the point?

 

[Kensington Reefer]

Look, happy to see people share corals through DBTC and appreciate people going out of their way to do so, but when rules are so strict that something like 2 people are going to be able to be "approved," what really is the point?

Find those 2 that will most likely also have success.
For the fragile coral’s sake

 

[RandyC]

Find those 2 that will most likely also have success.

And then your DBTC will die there. So what's the point? It's definitely not with the motto of the club.

 

[Turkeysammich]

Look, I'm happy to see people share corals through DBTC and appreciate people going out of their way to do so, but when rules are so strict that something like 2 people are going to be able to be "approved," what really is the point?

To keep the rare lineage alive. It upon the giver to do the best job he or she can to pick the perfect person.
Remember if it was easy. We all would have a blooming aquarium. We are talking about the extremely rare and difficult corals.
Not the ones I pass out. Lol. Then again. That’s why I pass out the easy stuff. So beginners can become pros. We all gotta start somewhere. Everyone and everything has its place. Unfortunately we don’t know our place. Well some of us don’t. Like me. I’m not as good as I think. I’ll be the first to say it.

 

[Mike Yasin]

Find those 2 that will most likely also have success.
For the fragile coral’s sake

This

 

[RandyC]

To keep the rare lineage alive. It upon the giver to do the best job he or she can to pick the perfect person.
Remember if it was easy. We all would have a blooming aquarium. We are talking about the extremely rare and difficult corals.
Not the ones I pass out. Lol. Then again. That’s why I pass out the easy stuff. So beginners can become pros. We all gotta start somewhere. Everyone and everything has its place. Unfortunately we don’t know our place. Well some of us don’t. Like me. I’m not as good as I think. I’ll be the first to say it.

Alive for who? If the criteria is so selective that it only involves a few people and frags to be given out has no where else to go, what's the real point of having this a DBTC for BAR?

 

[Mike Yasin]

Hey all. Man, so much drama. Go spend $400 a piece on the lineaged frags I am contributing, grow them, and come back to this club and share. Show me up.

This is the type of crap that drove the most generous of DBTC contributors away in the past.

I’m not really sure how to describe it but, none of us are entitled to anything by virtue of just being here and pouring salted water into a tank. Show your skill and like Mike (@Coral reefer ) said, the high end stuff will come.

Not sure why so many are butt hurt about someone seeking another reefer with experience and skill to keep a coral he spent bucks on and wants to make sure it has an excellent chance at being kept alive?

Why do you feel like you deserve a seat at the table? Show your skill.

 

[RandyC]

Hey all. Man, so much drama. Go spend $400 a piece on the lineaged frags I am contributing, grow them, and come back to this club and share. Show me up.

Walt disney frags do not cost $400.

 

[Mike Yasin]

Walt disney frags do not cost $400.

Go find a lineaged BIGR the size and health of the coral I posted.

 

[Turkeysammich]

Alive for who? If the criteria is so selective that it only involves a few people and frags to be given out has no where else to go, what's the real point of having this a DBTC for BAR?

Well. We are just having a conversation. This would be my thinking. I could be wrong here. So hear me out. First they are Wild, Mariculture, Aquaculture, in the home aquarium for decades. Wild would mean extremely fragile ? This would be my thinking. As time goes on the coral would become less fragile to the point of easy. Now if we didn’t have people like the super detailed ones like yourself. We could not move forward. They would die. And a lot have. It’s all baby steps. The longer in captivity the easier it will be cuz the new branches of the coral will be more and more acclimated to aquarium life. That's how I think about it.

 

[RandyC]

Well. We are just having a conversation. This would be my thinking. I could be wrong here. So hear me out. First they are Wild, Mariculture, Aquaculture, in the home aquarium for decades. Wild would mean extremely fragile ? This would be my thinking. As time goes on the coral would become less fragile to the point of easy. Now if we didn’t have people like the super detailed ones like yourself. We could not move forward. It’s all baby steps. The longer in captivity the easier it will be cuz the new branches of the coral will be more and more acclimated to aquarium life. That's how I think about it.

@Turkeysammich How long do you think a BigR Walt Disney has been around?