Saw them at MACNA ... Las Vegas I want to say (that or it was San Diego). Basically another controller on the market, I really like their ATO solution which fired off a sonic pulse or something and actually measured the depth of the water and returned that as a value to read through their app. That said, the price point on this was in the same range as the Apex which really makes it a hard pill to swallow, I mean Vertex went into the controller market too with the Cerebus(or something like that) and I think ultimately that's what made them go under, so hard to put mainstream controller money on the line and hope the company manages to stick around.