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derek_SR

derek_SR

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Hey all - I'd like to share some of our post-swap changes and ideas for improvement and capture any feedback that our members have.

Change #1 - all Bonus/Ultra Zoa entries must be a minimum of TWO polyps. This was an old rule that kind of fell by the wayside but I want to formalize it again.

Why? We had a ton of zoas show up with a single polyp - these frags are a little disappointing to get, have a lower chance of survival, and really flood the market (and let folks milk tickets).

Change #2 - Restructuring the Bonus/Ultra rounds:
  1. TWO Ultra Rounds
    • Round 1 - 3 Minutes, ONE pick / ONE ticket
    • Round 2 - 2 Minutes, multiple picks - spend the rest of your tickets
  2. ONE Bonus Rounds
    • 3 minutes, multiple picks - spend all of your tickets
Why? We wanted to shorten these rounds so folks not participating wouldn't have to wait as long - the entire process will now be done in under 10 minutes. It also makes more sense to have a single ticket Ultra round rather than an immediate free-for-all.



Let us know what other feedback you have or any changes you'd like to suggest for the next swap!
 
derek_SR said:
Hey all - I'd like to share some of our post-swap changes and ideas for improvement and capture any feedback that our members have.

Change #1 - all Bonus/Ultra Zoa entries must be a minimum of TWO polyps. This was an old rule that kind of fell by the wayside but I want to formalize it again.

Why? We had a ton of zoas show up with a single polyp - these frags are a little disappointing to get, have a lower chance of survival, and really flood the market (and let folks milk tickets).

Change #2 - Restructuring the Bonus/Ultra rounds:
  1. TWO Ultra Rounds
    • Round 1 - 3 Minutes, ONE pick / ONE ticket
    • Round 2 - 2 Minutes, multiple picks - spend the rest of your tickets
  2. ONE Bonus Rounds
    • 3 minutes, multiple picks - spend all of your tickets
Why? We wanted to shorten these rounds so folks not participating wouldn't have to wait as long - the entire process will now be done in under 10 minutes. It also makes more sense to have a single ticket Ultra round rather than an immediate free-for-all.



Let us know what other feedback you have or any changes you'd like to suggest for the next swap!
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In favor of NO more single zoa polyps. I normally do not pick up zoas but wanted to have another one to the exosphere (I believe) I got last time, and which is doing very well.

The single polyp was gone after two days, something must have eaten it or so.
 
Same - I got a Stratosphere zoa single polyp, which never opened, and was completely gone in 2 days. Frustrating. Thankfully the other Utter Chaos zoa frag (with 3 polyps on it) is doing fantastic.
 
timmeh said:
Same - I got a Stratosphere zoa single polyp, which never opened, and was completely gone in 2 days. Frustrating. Thankfully the other Utter Chaos zoa frag (with 3 polyps on it) is doing fantastic.
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I can try to frag my strats for you if your still intrested in them?
 
Another suggestion to help against ppl gaming the system. Why don't you make a zoa bonus round / zoa ulta instead. That way you provide a zoa ultra, you get a zoa ultra in return. I feel zoa's are way way easier to propogate.
 
Agree on single polyp Zoas. Especially fresh cuts. Also picked a single polyp Strat, never opened and melted.

Would consider putting red/orange plating montis and standard mushrooms in the “banned” or “temporarily don’t count as an entry” category. I find they tend to be brought in in high numbers and tend to hang around until the free for all. Might force people to bring other more desirable pieces as a substitute. I think there are probably a couple of others that warrant similar treatment.
 
B the Nano Reefer said:
Agree on single polyp Zoas. Especially fresh cuts. Also picked a single polyp Strat, never opened and melted.

Would consider putting red/orange plating montis and standard mushrooms in the “banned” or “temporarily don’t count as an entry” category. I find they tend to be brought in in high numbers and tend to hang around until the free for all. Might force people to bring other more desirable pieces as a substitute. I think there are probably a couple of others that warrant similar treatment.
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This suggestion came up in the BOD convo as well - but we don't have any plans to start banning corals that aren't super toxic or invasive (what's currently banned). I am sure folks bringing the montis and shrooms are mostly newer reefers OR just people using the swap as an easy mechanism for PIF. This is totally fine, that's part of the intent of it. If a bunch ends up in the free for all, no big deal!

If we start restricting the easy/fast corals we're going to just exclude members who only have access to those corals and potentially constrain participation and attendance. Definitely open to continuing to modify/restrict/update Bonus/Ultra coral submission rules specifically, however, and likely will.
 
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Might be of no interest, but would be cool to somehow incorporate a show piece round maybe at the end of a swap.. For some of the more desirable types of scolys, acanthos, large colonies, clams, etc.. Though, I'm sure the vetting process would have to be pretty stringent. And I would think everyone that enters would draw for picking order.
 
SJ701 said:
Might be of no interest, but would be cool to somehow incorporate a show piece round maybe at the end of a swap.. For some of the more desirable types of scolys, acanthos, large colonies, clams, etc.. Though, I'm sure the vetting process would have to be pretty stringent. And I would think everyone that enters would draw for picking order.
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This is a good idea, except we'll do it at the beginning of the swap and call it the "Ultra" round. :)
 
SJ701 said:
Might be of no interest, but would be cool to somehow incorporate a show piece round maybe at the end of a swap.. For some of the more desirable types of scolys, acanthos, large colonies, clams, etc.. Though, I'm sure the vetting process would have to be pretty stringent. And I would think everyone that enters would draw for picking order.
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Not a bad idea, but most of what you named aren’t really being propagated captively. Scollies and acanthos are possible, sure, but I dont see it being done. Not sure anyone is breeding clams in the club either.
 
B the Nano Reefer said:
Agree on single polyp Zoas. Especially fresh cuts. Also picked a single polyp Strat, never opened and melted.

Would consider putting red/orange plating montis and standard mushrooms in the “banned” or “temporarily don’t count as an entry” category. I find they tend to be brought in in high numbers and tend to hang around until the free for all. Might force people to bring other more desirable pieces as a substitute. I think there are probably a couple of others that warrant similar treatment.
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Most beginner reefers start with the regular shrooms, toadstools, learhers and montis for the first few years if they even make it that far! Some reefers are very satisfied only growing those types of corals in the long term which have a far better survival rate. More stix will just die within a month or two if reefers only have the more desirable ones to choose from at the swap which normally require different level of care..At swaps Ive observed numerous times new members loading up on stix which there is high probability they will die heck it happens with experienced reefers also but with higher odds. Sometimes its not even recommended to add higher end stuff for a year or two until the tank matures which is subjective starting with good mature established live rock..
 
One question
Having never entered the bonus/ultra rounds whats the main differences compared to the other corals? Expensive?, Rare? or require alot more skills and parameters growing?
 
PjFish said:
One question
Having never entered the bonus/ultra rounds whats the main differences compared to the other corals? Expensive?, Rare? or require alot more skills and parameters growing?
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Pretty much all of the above. And they go through the review process voting to see if they qualify.
 
Coral reefer said:
Not a bad idea, but most of what you named aren’t really being propagated captively. Scollies and acanthos are possible, sure, but I dont see it being done. Not sure anyone is breeding clams in the club either.
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it was an emphasis on 'swap', more so than 'frag'.. I get the Ultra round is high end but still frags, lots of zoas, etc, not really show pieces. all good.. I love the swaps either way!
 
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