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Euphyllia

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My six line wrasse is getting too big for my tank and I'm planning on selling him. In the meantime, I'm looking for another fish to replace it with. I've been wanting a neon goby ever since my last neon goby died (of old age.) I'd be fine with getting a blue neon goby, but I'm really wanting a yellow one. I'm guessing the yellow ones are rare since I've never seen one in real life before. Does anybody know where I can get a yellow one or two? Otherwise I'll just settle for a blue one... :(
 
I'm specifically looking for neon gobies. This is the one I'm trying to find...

http://www.petsolutions.com/Yellow-Stripe-Neon-Goby+I126100L+C77.aspx
 
How long is this gobies can live? How can you tell the age of the gobies? I never had a gobies, but it make me thinking now how to pick a fish so the fish won't die on me due to old age. :)
 
Roy, with wild caught fish it's impossible to know the age. Sometimes folks think that they can tell that a fish is a "baby", but size is deceptive especially in harem or family group type fish where the dominant fish get large but the sub dominant fish stay small. This is why you could buy a WC small clown and think it is very young, but if that fish was way down in the pecking order it could actually be many, many years old.

My experience however with the gobiosoma (neon / sharknose / gold neon) gobies is that the size vs age relationship does hold true, and the older, mature ones are bigger. I've spoken with the divers and they say that the tiny ones are usually the new crop for the year while the more mature ones are bigger. If you're getting CB fish though, then I'd surmise that you're almost certain to get young fish if you get the small ones.
 
Robin,
Thanks for your explanation. That is what I am thinking as well. I saw 2 separate posting from Euphyllia mentioning the death due to old age, which one of them was anemone if I am not wrong. These trigger my thinking. Although, I know that these animal does not live forever, but how can we determine if the death is due to old age as Euphyllia said.

Agree that you can be sure on the age on CB. Do you know approx. life span on clownfish then? Sorry ... off topic a bit here.
 
Radiolunatic said:
Robin,
Thanks for your explanation. That is what I am thinking as well. I saw 2 separate posting from Euphyllia mentioning the death due to old age, which one of them was anemone if I am not wrong. These trigger my thinking. Although, I know that these animal does not live forever, but how can we determine if the death is due to old age as Euphyllia said.

Agree that you can be sure on the age on CB. Do you know approx. life span on clownfish then? Sorry ... off topic a bit here.
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I'd had the goby a year and it was 1.25" when I bought it. That means it was 1-2 years of age when it died. It was probably old age that killed it and since it was at least more than one year old and they live only to about 2 years at the max. I doubt my clowns would kill it even though they do like to kill stuff because they loved it since it sucked parasites off them! :) As for the GBTA I learned never to move an anemone! I was just guessing the GBTA was old age because I never damaged it after I moved it. I still think something attacked it. I don't think I could have caused all the damage on it from a move where I didn't even cause it to close!
 
Roy, I've heard that some clowns in captivity have lived into their teens and perhaps in a couple cases over 20. I would say that it is not impossible to get a WC immature clown that may be over 10 years old. Sounds crazy, I know, but this is a result of the harem heirarchy.

As for anemones, some scientists have speculated that certain large wild specimens are several decades old, perhaps even over a hundred years old!
 
How do you determine anemone age??
Lets say the anemone is 10 years old and it split into 2. Does that make 5 years old each??? :D
 
Euphyllia said:
Radiolunatic said:
Robin,
Thanks for your explanation. That is what I am thinking as well. I saw 2 separate posting from Euphyllia mentioning the death due to old age, which one of them was anemone if I am not wrong. These trigger my thinking. Although, I know that these animal does not live forever, but how can we determine if the death is due to old age as Euphyllia said.

Agree that you can be sure on the age on CB. Do you know approx. life span on clownfish then? Sorry ... off topic a bit here.
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I'd had the goby a year and it was 1.25" when I bought it. That means it was 1-2 years of age when it died. It was probably old age that killed it and since it was at least more than one year old and they live only to about 2 years at the max. I doubt my clowns would kill it even though they do like to kill stuff because they loved it since it sucked parasites off them! :) As for the GBTA I learned never to move an anemone! I was just guessing the GBTA was old age because I never damaged it after I moved it. I still think something attacked it. I don't think I could have caused all the damage on it from a move where I didn't even cause it to close!
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2 years max? Just where do you pull this stuff up? The most notable scientists I know on the subject of MO fish would object to your post. What is considered a wild life span does not really equate to that of captive life span. Some gobies have lived +4x as long in aquaria as reported from the wild.

See my post above to refute your old age claim on anemones.

It's very bad to post an assumption as a fact. The internet is wide open and other readers may not know you do not really know what your talking about and might take your post as a fact.
 
fingerwrinkles said:
Roy, I've heard that some clowns in captivity have lived into their teens and perhaps in a couple cases over 20. I would say that it is not impossible to get a WC immature clown that may be over 10 years old. Sounds crazy, I know, but this is a result of the harem heirarchy.

As for anemones, some scientists have speculated that certain large wild specimens are several decades old, perhaps even over a hundred years old!
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On Anem aging: IIRC hundreds of years for some is what I have been told and Like jellyfish and redwoods they do not have a mechanism for aging (RNA doesn't drop off?).
 
Also, if you simply jump to the wrong conclusions about the deaths of your animals, you're cheating yourself of the chance to learn from your failures.
 
Boy, Deja Vu.......

I swear this must be the 100th thread ask Matthew to back up his conclusions and toppling over his assumtions.

Matthew, have you ever thought that if you took time to research things from multiable sources and then asked educated questions instead of making rediclous statements of facts, that you might actualt start to learn about this hobby that you are so very interested in?
 
Despite his mistakes etc etc, I do have to give him credit. When he first came here, he would just do without asking and come here with all the problems. Now he asks and researches then posts. Sure his methodology is flawed wrt fact vs assumption vs real facts etc, but that may just take some time and patience and not so much of harsh criticisms.

Kept it up Euphyllia and keep asking and keep researching! Just remember that not all you read is true :) When you don't know, assume the info you find may be wrong and check it against another source to improve your confidence :) It is better to be safe and assume the info is wrong, then assume it is right..the whole measure twice, cut once deal.
 
GreshamH said:
fingerwrinkles said:
Roy, I've heard that some clowns in captivity have lived into their teens and perhaps in a couple cases over 20. I would say that it is not impossible to get a WC immature clown that may be over 10 years old. Sounds crazy, I know, but this is a result of the harem heirarchy.

As for anemones, some scientists have speculated that certain large wild specimens are several decades old, perhaps even over a hundred years old!
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On Anem aging: IIRC hundreds of years for some is what I have been told and Like jellyfish and redwoods they do not have a mechanism for aging (RNA doesn't drop off?).
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I don't remember much from biology class, but I think aging has something to do with mitochondria.
 
iani said:
GreshamH said:
fingerwrinkles said:
Roy, I've heard that some clowns in captivity have lived into their teens and perhaps in a couple cases over 20. I would say that it is not impossible to get a WC immature clown that may be over 10 years old. Sounds crazy, I know, but this is a result of the harem heirarchy.

As for anemones, some scientists have speculated that certain large wild specimens are several decades old, perhaps even over a hundred years old!
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On Anem aging: IIRC hundreds of years for some is what I have been told and Like jellyfish and redwoods they do not have a mechanism for aging (RNA doesn't drop off?).
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I don't remember much from biology class, but I think aging has something to do with mitochondria.
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Was RNA even a widely discussed topic when you were in school?

(PM sent on subject as to not clutter the thread with OT subject)
 
Gomer said:
Despite his mistakes etc etc, I do have to give him credit. When he first came here, he would just do without asking and come here with all the problems. Now he asks and researches then posts. Sure his methodology is flawed wrt fact vs assumption vs real facts etc, but that may just take some time and patience and not so much of harsh criticisms.

Kept it up Euphyllia and keep asking and keep researching! Just remember that not all you read is true :) When you don't know, assume the info you find may be wrong and check it against another source to improve your confidence :) It is better to be safe and assume the info is wrong, then assume it is right..the whole measure twice, cut once deal.
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PM sent with regards to your post.
 
FWIW, I do remember David M talking to me about breeding neons and the fact that they have a much shorter lifespan than clowns, hence it was better for him if we all bought gobies instead of clowns from him :p I know he said a specific range of years, but as I can't remember clearly I won't guestimate.
 
phishphood said:
FWIW, I do remember David M talking to me about breeding neons and the fact that they have a much shorter lifespan than clowns, hence it was better for him if we all bought gobies instead of clowns from him :p I know he said a specific range of years, but as I can't remember clearly I won't guestimate.
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David also prefers not to do them as they are a real pain to try to sell when that small (pers. comm. @ MAX a few months ago). The little slivers are very hard for retailers to handle and if he grew them to the size retailers would want, they'd have one foot in the grave all ready.
 
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