Copper and Tang in QT. Need advise

[newfly]

I have a 2" purple tang in QT since yesterday. Started with 0.8ppm copper power and API General Cure. Tang is stressed from shipping (overnight becomes 2 day) , but otherwise looks OK. Started eating pellets and mysis soaked in selcon today. WIll add Nori tomorrow.

I increase the copper to 1.2ppm today and the tang is not happy. Hanging out at the top of the tank, sideways. Quickly do a 50% water change and he is back to normal. I am mixing another batch of water, and can do another 50% tomorrow if needed.

Some sign of white discoloration (see picture). Not sure its from stress, or HLLE or ??

I'm very afraid to add copper now. Any suggestions?

QT is a 13g bare bottom with PVC . The tang is alone in QT.

 

[Chromis]

What QT method are you following - how are you reducing ammonia? Did you add anything besides copper that could have made the copper more toxic? Something like described here?: https://humble.fish/quarantine/

 

[newfly]

What QT method are you following - how are you reducing ammonia? Did you add anything besides copper that could have made the copper more toxic? Something like described here?:

QT is cycled, with matrix and sponge as biological filtration. The fish just got introduce yesterday. Ammonia is 0.

I added General Cure + Copper Power. Have been doing this for the last 3 batch of fish.

Maybe tang is a lot more sensitive.

 

[newfly]

Can someone confirm that it is HLLE?

 

[thanh510]

If you lowered the copper and he eats then maybe he's sensitive to copper. Humble fish mentions it here (at the very bottom): https://humble.fish/copper/

I normally match the copper coming out of the bag and then I would increase it slowly. Especially after a long transport!

I don't know what HLLE. I am a noob too.

 

[newfly]

If you lowered the copper and he eats then maybe he's sensitive to copper. Humble fish mentions it here (at the very bottom): https://humble.fish/copper/

I normally match the copper coming out of the bag and then I would increase it slowly. Especially after a long transport!

I don't know what HLLE. I am a noob too.

Thanks. I didn’t check the copper level in the bag. I started with 0.8 and went to 1.2 in 24 hours. Is that fast?

I’m very afraid to increase copper again. Might just observe the fish for a week without meds and see how it goes.

 

[thanh510]

In the article Humble fish says 6 days to 2.5 with copper power.

So yes.


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[markovkaa]

Does anyone here have spare copper solution. I have 3 fish with black ich that i wanna cure. Just wanted to ask before i ask the main group.

 

[newfly]

Does anyone here have spare copper solution. I have 3 fish with black ich that i wanna cure. Just wanted to ask before i ask the main group.

I don’t but it might be easiest for you to run to the store. I think most LFS carry them

 

[BleepBloopMunchMunch]

I probably have some in San Leandro if you're around here

 

[markovkaa]

I probably have some in San Leandro if you're around here

I’m in Castro valley so really close to you.

 

[BleepBloopMunchMunch]

Cool I PM'd you

 

[rygh]

Take your time.
Let the fish get over the stress of shipping and so on for a week or so.
Then treat when they are eating well.

I have heard a few anectodal complaints about copper and tangs, but I have never heard solidly that it is a problem.

You could try ionic copper (cupramine) instead.

Or use tank transfer method, or hyposalinity, that do not use poisons at all. But those only work on ich.

 

[Baykes]

Does anyone here have spare copper solution. I have 3 fish with black ich that i wanna cure. Just wanted to ask before i ask the main group.

For black ich you want to use Praziquantel since they are actually a worm parasite.

Black Ich

Black Ich - Turbellarians (updated 6-9-2023) What You Need To Know: * Parasitic flatworm infestation. Tangs/surgeonfish are most often afflicted. * Primary symptom is small black dots on the fish. (Not to be confused with Clownfish Hyper-Melanization.) * Best treatment is Praziquantel. A...

humble.fish

 

[markovkaa]

I might just try some fresh water dips see if that helps. But maybe I will try Praziquantel. It’s only my clown fish that have signs of black ich.