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Monzer's tank restart

scuba71 said:
Found my powder blue dead this morning. I don't see any scars/wounds. I'm just speechless.
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Sounds like internal parasites to me. I had it happen in my frag tank a few years back. Every fish slowly lost their appetite and died. Dead fish everyday until they are all gone. How was the PBT appetite before it died? Was it eating nori aggressively. Like tearing it off the clip? How are the other tang’s appetite?
 
SupraSaltyReefer said:
Sounds like internal parasites to me. I had it happen in my frag tank a few years back. Every fish slowly lost their appetite and died. Dead fish everyday until they are all gone. How was the PBT appetite before it died? Was it eating nori aggressively. Like tearing it off the clip? How are the other tang’s appetite?
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Apatite was decent. No, not tearing the nori off, but it was getting some and forging around. Same with the other tangs.
 
Your running a skimmer so doesn’t sound like low oxygen! .. Have you been rearranging any scape kicking up stuff thats deep in the sand bed.. Old undisturbed sand beds can release hydrogen sulfide but you would probably smell it or see numerous black/ red gunk pockets along the bottom of glass…
How much GFO ? And how much Gac were in the ractor? and was it rinsed real good before putting it in?
Since the whole reactor emptied into the tank Im wondering if the fish consumed some of the media? Like did you see any GFO & GAC floating around on the sand bed or sump? Hard to tell from the pics if their on the pinched side..
I have heard in the past that this could cause blockages in fishes gut depending how much they consumed…Doubt your new nems had killer sting..
Can call a local Vet who can send the fish to a lab for necropsy some want the fish in formalin which most vets have since they send in samples daily to labs or use local university labs some have their own requirements..Several years back a friend sent in a few of his koi to UC Davis Aquatic Animal Health Service Department which turned out his fish had KHV ( koi herpesvirus!) I was glad to know only koi get it since I was knee deep in his pond!! He lost 17 outa 20.. Wasn’t that expensive but he got piece of mind.. Sometimes you never know even after necropsies on animals which Ive had numerous done from breeding exotics back in the cowboy days of Miami…
Just tossing some thoughts out there tried to stay outa the rabbit hole!!
Sorry for the fish losses!! Sucks
Hopefully you will figure this out..
Best!!
 
I ended up ordering new gear to set up a 50 gallon quarantine tank. Before I left on my trip I had picked up a 50 gallon tank from Neptune Systems. It used to be one of their display tanks. It has a few scratches. A couple of finger nails deep scratches. I was thinking of bugging them out, but then I thought, it’s a quarantine tank… I just hope I don’t change my mind later. The plan is to remove all the fish for my main tank and place them into the quarantine tank and clean the heck out of the display.
 
How many fish are going into your QT?
You are going to need to be able to perform 100% water changes if necessary
And 50% every other day
You will NOT have a bacteria load to breakdown waste and you’ll need to vacuum out any uneaten food and or poop.
If you’re to medicate, what will you use?
Good luck
 
Kensington Reefer said:
How many fish are going into your QT?
You are going to need to be able to perform 100% water changes if necessary
And 50% every other day
You will NOT have a bacteria load to breakdown waste and you’ll need to vacuum out any uneaten food and or poop.
If you’re to medicate, what will you use?
Good luck
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No more than 8 fish at this point. 5 chromosome, a yellow tang, convict tang and a blond naso tang. The largest is the yellow tang, and that 4”. The rest are under 3”-2”.

I was thinking of instead of doing 100% at once, to vacuum and do 30-40% water changes every 3-4 days . This way at least some of the good bacteria can reproduce. I am going to install a UV at the same time to ensure anything bad gets sterilized.

My only concern is the live rocks at that point. Not sure if I should keep or remove.
 
Water quality is a major factor
That’s “many” fish....
Daily w/c
If you wait too long ammonia will burn your fish...
UV is helpful but the w/c will remove free swimming bugs immediately
Look up “tank transfer method”
And
Feed well, a hungry fish is a WEAK fish
 
Kensington Reefer said:
Water quality is a major factor
That’s “many” fish....
Daily w/c
If you wait too long ammonia will burn your fish...
UV is helpful but the w/c will remove free swimming bugs immediately
Look up “tank transfer method”
And
Feed well, a hungry fish is a WEAK fish
is a WEAK fish
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How many days in a row do you suggest that I do w/c?

Regardless I will look up the tank transfer method. I appreciate the advice. Thank you.
 
scuba71 said:
How many days in a row do you suggest that I do w/c?

Regardless I will look up the tank transfer method. I appreciate the advice. Thank you.
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Me...
After first 12 hrs
Repeat after 12hrs
12-18hrs depending on water quality
As after as necessary
If your water is cloudy, it’s too late
Clean water is key
You can’t change too much water
ASSUMING new water is ideal: salinity, temperature and pH
 
A few weeks ago before my trip, I picked up a 50 gallon aquarium from Neptune Systems. At first, I thought I would make it into a quarantine/grow out tank. However, since my fish started to die, I am going with plan B. Plan B is to move all the fish, corals, some of the lives rocks, and then clean the sand, etc. While I am doing that, I am also going to install a filter roller. Ended up picking a couple during black Friday. But to make room for the filter rollers, I need to move the skimmer to the next chamber. This will unfortunately make me lose the refuge. Well to resolve this, I picked up A.R.I.D. N24 Macroalgae Reactor to help overcome that obstacle, Overhaul is coming this weekend.
 

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scuba71 said:
A few weeks ago before my trip, I picked up a 50 gallon aquarium from Neptune Systems. At first, I thought I would make it into a quarantine/grow out tank. However, since my fish started to die, I am going with plan B. Plan B is to move all the fish, corals, some of the lives rocks, and then clean the sand, etc. While I am doing that, I am also going to install a filter roller. Ended up picking a couple during black Friday. But to make room for the filter rollers, I need to move the skimmer to the next chamber. This will unfortunately make me lose the refuge. Well to resolve this, I picked up A.R.I.D. N24 Macroalgae Reactor to help overcome that obstacle, Overhaul is coming this weekend.
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Might still be good to go fallow and run the fish though QT if you think that's a fish disease issue.

Curious as to why you went with more than one filter roller?
 
Darkxerox said:
Might still be good to go fallow and run the fish though QT if you think that's a fish disease issue.

Curious as to why you went with more than one filter roller?
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For sure. Once I clean up the main tank, I will leave the fish in the 50 gallons. Treat them/watch them for a few weeks and then put them back in the main.

I went with two to make sure my two drains go through the filter roller. But I am thinking of installing one first, see how the flow rate is impacted. If the water quality is still the same, then perhaps install the second. Also found that Reef Factory had one of the favorable footprints.
 
scuba71 said:
For sure. Once I clean up the main tank, I will leave the fish in the 50 gallons. Treat them/watch them for a few weeks and then put them back in the main.

I went with two to make sure my two drains go through the filter roller. But I am thinking of installing one first, see how the flow rate is impacted. If the water quality is still the same, then perhaps install the second. Also found that Reef Factory had one of the favorable footprints.
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These are the estimated fallow periods of you can figure out what killed them: https://humble.fish/community/threads/fallow-periods-going-fishless.32/
 
Some progress.

Cleaned up the sump a little bit. Cleaned the skimmer and moved it to it's new location. After moving to it's new location, I found that the skimmer was getting chocked by the CO2 scrubber. Removed and the skimmer is full of bumbles.
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Added the filter roller, but I have not plumbed it yet. Still debating if I should a second one (already bought during black Friday) so we will see. Need to clean up some of the salt build up as well.
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Planning to to install the ARID algae scrubber later today. Then going to move the fish in the next day or so from the display to the quarantine tank. Also, planning to treat the fish for worms, gill disease just as a precaution in the quarantine tank. Will have an update later today or tomorrow at the latest.
 
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