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Complete Bonus/Ultra Coral List - 2024 (REVISED AS OF 2/16/25)

I would also like to see how Our BOD chooses what’s on the list? This needs to be more transparent and needs to be more than one person. BOD isn’t here to be a secretive behind the scene separated group.

I understand it’s easy to take things personally but this is all of our club. And a BOD title is just that a title not ownership of anything.

We will have a meeting well before the next swap to discuss all of this. Everyone who wants to attend will be invited. Right now deciding what is and isn't on the list is a cluster F...
 
We will have a meeting well before the next swap to discuss all of this. Everyone who wants to attend will be invited. Right now deciding what is and isn't on the list is a cluster F...
Again put it out for the members that are a majority of the club to look at have polls members should be apart of the decision. I don’t know I’m just a supporting member voicing my opinion. That attends a lot of our events and is pretty active in the community. I’m sorry Eric but leaving everything to a BOD meeting just feels again Like I’m not apart of the cool club.
 
After thinking about it a little more. Might be best to do away with ultra and have that as a separate event.

If you do 1-1 then it’s a wash because every ultra essentially could be gone by that round. So what would be the point of having ultras? Just so people can cherry pick before hand and potentially leave the swap like they weren’t there to begin with.

I would also like to see how Our BOD chooses what’s on the list? This needs to be more transparent and needs to be more than one person. BOD isn’t here to be a secretive behind the scene separated group.

I understand it’s easy to take things personally but this is all of our club. And a BOD title is just that a title not ownership of anything.
Not sure if you just ignoring me our not but i actually posted that.
I’ll just flat out say it. This is where the boys club vibe comes from. BOD isn’t here to make the decisions the members are so let’s start incorporating them into the decision rather than a hand full of BOD and a sponsor.

@Srt4eric @JVU @derek_SR @IOnceWasLegend @yosemiteclimber @ReyDeFarts @Turkeysammich

I couldn’t think of any more BOD but meant to tag them all.

@DaddyHook You are not being ignored. This is how forums work, they are different than talking to someone face to face. People want to say their thoughts, not necessarily spend all their time reacting instantly to what every other person is saying. So don’t start taking things so personally.

Each time we have redone the lists we’ve asked for experts to volunteer their time to help. It is impossible to do everything by a 200 person committee, so individuals volunteer (or are volunteered) to do various jobs. Several of our list revisions have been done by non-board members. But it’s hard to get people who do a good job to want to do it more than once. Then we get criticized for not updating them more frequently.

The reason board members are often the ones doing the work is because they are the ones willing to do the work. The same factors that get them to volunteer for the board get them to volunteer to do other specific jobs. Then there’s a lot of people who have thoughts and opinions but disappear when actual hours of work are needed. Work that will be criticized later. It’s fine, people are busy. But it’s not a conspiracy.
 
@DaddyHook You are not being ignored. This is how forums work, they are different than talking to someone face to face. People want to say their thoughts, not necessarily spend all their time reacting instantly to what every other person is saying. So don’t start taking things so personally.

Each time we have redone the lists we’ve asked for experts to volunteer their time to help. It is impossible to do everything by a 200 person committee, so individuals volunteer (or are volunteered) to do various jobs. Several of our list revisions have been done by non-board members. But it’s hard to get people who do a good job to want to do it more than once. Then we get criticized for not updating them more frequently.

The reason board members are often the ones doing the work is because they are the ones willing to do the work. The same factors that get them to volunteer for the board get them to volunteer to do other specific jobs. Then there’s a lot of people who have thoughts and opinions but disappear when actual hours of work are needed. Work that will be criticized later. It’s fine, people are busy. But it’s not a conspiracy.
Thanks John for responding but instead of having anything positive to say you’ve just come in and inferred I’m the the one taking it personally. Which is that exact opposite of what I’m doing.

I’m just very straight forward person. So please try to make a positive statement as a BOD member. Not just a reactive one that’s ment to degrade my knowledge of how forums work or how a tax exempt organization works. Again when some one voices their opinion take it into consideration don’t just start attacking them.

As far as the list I’m pretty active in mentioning my thoughts. But still would like to see it be more transparent.
 
Then there’s a lot of people who have thoughts and opinions but disappear when actual hours of work are needed. Work that will be criticized later. It’s fine, people are busy. But it’s not a conspiracy.
And the last point is just spot on. This is how our members opinions are thought only mater if you feel they’ve put in the time.
 
Thanks John for responding but instead of having anything positive to say you’ve just come in and inferred I’m the the one taking it personally. Which is that exact opposite of what I’m doing.

I’m just very straight forward person. So please try to make a positive statement as a BOD member. Not just a reactive one that’s ment to degrade my knowledge of how forums work or how a tax exempt organization works. Again when some one voices their opinion take it into consideration don’t just start attacking them.

As far as the list I’m pretty active in mentioning my thoughts. But still would like to see it be more transparent.
I’m not attacking you. I’m explaining what, to me, based on what you are saying, it seems like you are missing.

And anyway the multiple messages you made sound like direct attacks and quite negative… so maybe we can all do better. We are people too.

If you have specific suggestions how to improve what you aren’t happy with, make them. But don’t be surprised if/when someone else’s suggestion is what is done. I make good suggestions all the time that don’t wind up being what we do. There is no one person in charge here.

I have to work so I’m not going to be responding further here for a while, don’t take it as ignoring you.
 
I’m not attacking you. I’m explaining what, to me, based on what you are saying, it seems like you are missing.

And anyway the multiple messages you made sound like direct attacks and quite negative… so maybe we can all do better. We are people too.

If you have specific suggestions how to improve what you aren’t happy with, make them. But don’t be surprised if/when someone else’s suggestion is what is done. I make good suggestions all the time that don’t wind up being what we do. There is no one person in charge here.

I have to work so I’m not going to be responding further here for a while, don’t take it as
This is just getting childish.
I give back the same passive aggressive dialogue that’s given to me. lol I apologize if the boys club can’t take it.
 
After thinking about it a little more. Might be best to do away with ultra and have that as a separate event.

If you do 1-1 then it’s a wash because every ultra essentially could be gone by that round. So what would be the point of having ultras? Just so people can cherry pick before hand and potentially leave the swap like they weren’t there to begin with.

I would also like to see how Our BOD chooses what’s on the list? This needs to be more transparent and needs to be more than one person. BOD isn’t here to be a secretive behind the scene separated group.

I understand it’s easy to take things personally but this is all of our club. And a BOD title is just that a title not ownership of anything.
A lot of how we did bonus and ultras in past years was to ask for volunteers to help look at the list to update it from pre COVID. @salty_taste @CaseyP @Invictus and @derek_SR ironically ended up joining the board in the following years after spending their time helping go over the lists. We discussed each item for awhile in a meeting and further in messages, but the list is never "done". Price and local rarity was a big factor into items, plus if people asked in the swap preparation thread "I have x is it bonus or ultra?". Check out how much the lists changed from before and after we updated: https://www.bareefers.org/forum/threads/oct-19-2019-regional-frag-swap-san-francisco.24413/

If there's anything you want on the list or don't want, take a running tally of what they are and we can review them with you. Over video is much easier/faster.

Also please join our next board meeting, they're always open to supporting members. Most of the time we're just trying to keep the club functioning and the lights on when we have spare time. But we always carve out time for members that attend to speak.
 
Round 1 Regular Swapping 1-7: 3 minutes

Round 2 Regular Swapping 7-1: 3 minutes

PjFish said
Maybe Im missing something here?
Why do all the rounds go in numerical order then reverse oder then back to numerical order?
If you draw group 1 (first) or last group (7) all the other groups get two rounds of picks before you ?
I do like the idea keeping the bonus/ultra rounds on their own separate table at first to avoid the easter egg hunting then when those rounds are done toss them in the general population
 
Why do all the rounds go in numerical order then reverse oder then back to numerical order?
If you draw group 1 (first) or last group (7) all the other groups get two rounds of picks before you ?
It's like Fantasy Football draft, snake method is supposed to even out the value of the picks. I'm a nerd and like Excel, hope this helps:

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I mostly agree with what @DaddyHook is saying. I think there should be more transparency. I don’t like the “join the next meeting” excuse. I’ve been trying to attend all the meetings. The one before the one we had at @JVU home there was literally a notice the evening before that the meeting was the next day. I’m guessing it was planned in the BOD forum and then the one day notice was given to the forum? Not really a fair way to allow us to voice our opinions and listen in if we only get a one day notice. At least for myself, I have stuff going on but I can always make things with enough notice, not one day.
 
A lot of how we did bonus and ultras in past years was to ask for volunteers to help look at the list to update it from pre COVID. @salty_taste @CaseyP @Invictus and @derek_SR ironically ended up joining the board in the following years after spending their time helping go over the lists. We discussed each item for awhile in a meeting and further in messages, but the list is never "done". Price and local rarity was a big factor into items, plus if people asked in the swap preparation thread "I have x is it bonus or ultra?". Check out how much the lists changed from before and after we updated: https://www.bareefers.org/forum/threads/oct-19-2019-regional-frag-swap-san-francisco.24413/

If there's anything you want on the list or don't want, take a running tally of what they are and we can review them with you. Over video is much easier/faster.

Also please join our next board meeting, they're always open to supporting members. Most of the time we're just trying to keep the club functioning and the lights on when we have spare time. But we always carve out time for members that attend to speak.
Thanks Thomas for a professional reply. And actually trying to give answers to what I’ve been asking.
 
It's like Fantasy Football draft, snake method is supposed to even out the value of the picks. I'm a nerd and like Excel, hope this helps:

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Wow thanks!!
I do see value with the bonus & ultra rounds snake method but for the regular rounds I would think number of pics equally would win over value for the general audience
Never played fantasy football but do need to get my Excel ON!
 
Wow thanks!!
I do see value with the bonus & ultra rounds snake method but for the regular rounds I would think number of pics equally would win over value for the general audience
Never played fantasy football but do need to get my Excel ON!


Not doing snake style only benefits the luck of drawing 1-2 spots for picking. And gives a huge disadvantage for later picks
 
The one before the one we had at @JVU home there was literally a notice the evening before that the meeting was the next day. I’m guessing it was planned in the BOD forum and then the one day notice was given to the forum?

Nope. Just realized we hadn't had one yet and it needed to happen. We had the meeting on the 9th and didn't nail down the date till the day before.

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