MarcosD
Supporting Member
Regardless, if they’re meant to allow members to voice their opinions, it’s only fair for us to get more than a day notice
Complete Bonus/Ultra Coral List - 2024 (REVISED AS OF 2/16/25)
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PjFish
Supporting Member
In my observation from frag swaps I do get a feeling that the bonus/ultra round bar members are put ahead of the regular group since their front & center and everyone has to watch and wait till their done. Does the majority of the members grow ultra or bonus since these are harder corals or just more expensive ? It is very inspiring seeing the high end harder corals at swaps that members do grow does that make them better reefers then the rest not sure attitudes tend to speak for themselves lol
Honestly if anyone here is a Zoa nut we need your help, it's the most complicated genus and rapidly changing one.im just gunna say what we're all thinking! Zoanthid people should be isolated to their own bonus/ultra swap...
jk! Please don't boot me!
MarcosD
Supporting Member
Some stuff that are bonus are relatively cheap and easy to grow. ie Gold/Peach/Splatter Hammers. A lot of the bonus zoas. Don’t know anything about SPS so can’t comment on that. A lot of these are also not to expensive. You can pick any of the mentioned above at CFM for like $20-30 and they’ll grow relatively fast on you. Some of this stuff got taken off the list but Exospheres that are still on I see them for like $25 a frag often with multiple polyps
@DaddyHook @Arvin R @Invictus @MarcosD
What if we did something like this. SOMEONE has to decide, since things can't be totally democratic, but the idea here is we identify a "committee" to align on which corals are Ultra. BAR members submit their petitions to a google sheet (I would be happy to maintain this, could perhaps hire @dangalang to build it). The committee then simply signs off on each item and if it gets enough votes it gets an ultra designation, if not it doesn't. The "committee" could be sized such to make everyone comfortable in terms of transparency and representation.
We'd open this sheet up a month or two BEFORE the swap then close it out maybe a week before.
This sheet is public - and the first two columns are open for any supporting member entry. The voting columns are locked for the voting committee, of course, but visible to everyone. I'm sure @dangalang can figure it out.
What if we did something like this. SOMEONE has to decide, since things can't be totally democratic, but the idea here is we identify a "committee" to align on which corals are Ultra. BAR members submit their petitions to a google sheet (I would be happy to maintain this, could perhaps hire @dangalang to build it). The committee then simply signs off on each item and if it gets enough votes it gets an ultra designation, if not it doesn't. The "committee" could be sized such to make everyone comfortable in terms of transparency and representation.
We'd open this sheet up a month or two BEFORE the swap then close it out maybe a week before.
This sheet is public - and the first two columns are open for any supporting member entry. The voting columns are locked for the voting committee, of course, but visible to everyone. I'm sure @dangalang can figure it out.
Love me some spreadsheets, I could help build if we go this direction.
DaddyHook
Supporting Member
This looks great and is very inline with what I invision. I’m sure there is more to elaborate on and will always need some work but is heading in the right direction.
sfsuphysics
Supporting Member
I saw a small handful of Exosphere zoas at during the last round, granted it was only 3 rounds, but I saw them there.
Also how in the name of Zeus' butthole did ROYGBIV mushrooms get into the ultra category? I know I've been away for a bit, but I would bring that stuff to swaps all the time.
DaddyHook
Supporting Member
im just gunna say what we're all thinking! Zoanthid people should be isolated to their own bonus/ultra swap...
jk! Please don't boot me!
Yea a committee is what I was trying to reference. Not board as in the BOD.
B the Nano Reefer
Supporting Member
I’ve suggested it before, but I think we need a frag swap committee (perhaps consisting of 1-3 BOD members and 2-4 non-BOD supporting members) who are collectively willing to make the frag swaps better than they already are (and they’re already a great event) and reach decisions (in a transparent way) like what’s being discussed here, e.g. what’s ultra/what’s not, etc. once they’ve solicited feedback from members generally. Attendance at these events has improved significantly since I first joined BAR and they’ve become more complex with raffles, sponsor tables, DBTC. They seem to be by a long shot BARs premier event. @IOnceWasLegend has done a phenomenal job leading the charge on these but I think if we had a dedicated group of people (to supplement what the BOD already does in the background) that would really allow us to collectively dial things in
MarcosD
Supporting Member
Just wanted to make sure my concern about that last minute BOD meetings was heard since I didn’t get a reply. That screenshot pretty much validated the point I was trying to make. That specific meeting that we had on 12/9 was starting to be planned on 12/6. If this was public to supporting members and I could’ve seen we were planning a few days before I could’ve gotten a heads up and planned for it. Or at least we should plan things ahead of time so we have more notice. Otherwise it’s not fair to ask us to join the BOD meetings if we want to have our voices heard. I recall asking about a Q4 meeting at least a couple weeks before this because I was interested joining, but unable to with a nights notice.
B the Nano Reefer
Supporting Member
I’ve floated the idea before, and still think quarterly or semi-annual open floor meeting outside of the BOD meetings, via zoom or in person, open to BOD and supporting members (and maybe even members generally), would be helpful. Pick a date each quarter. Have anonymous Q&A option to submit ahead of time to be addressed by BOD at the meeting, or ask questions/discuss your compliments/concerns in real time at the meeting.
RandyC
Supporting Member
I’ve always thought in the back of my mind that something along this line would be fair and pretty clear how the decision was made. Now this is maybe more complex and more overkill than it needs to be, but just a thought. Each category will be scored 0-100 and you could weight each category equally or have them weighed differently. Take the average score of the committee members and that will determine a coral’s value/status.
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gmdcdvm
Supporting Member
I for one usually don’t have the time to attend these meetings (I work a lot of swing shifts). I appreciate the BOD and what they do for what is a volunteer position. I think all these ideas sound great, but the issue is always finding people who have and want to take the time to make it happen. Otherwise, the board ends up doing all the hard work and making all the decisions. Since I don’t have time to contribute I cede to the board’s decisions or anyone else who really wants to get involved. At the same time since I am not very involved I also won’t complain when I disagree with those decisions.
I like the idea of a committee, and hopefully there are people out there willing to volunteer. I don’t know enough to be even remotely helpful.
Gerry
I like the idea of a committee, and hopefully there are people out there willing to volunteer. I don’t know enough to be even remotely helpful.
Gerry
SupraSaltyReefer
Supporting Member
All great ideas, but again it all comes down to who is willing to volunteer their time to make all this talk reality. Let’s see a show of hands who is willing to be on a Frag Swap Committee (FSC) with monthly 1hr meetings in the evenings?
Also, can the BOD meetings be recorded for those that can’t attend. Then have the link posted so we can watch it while doing tank maintenance lol
Also, can the BOD meetings be recorded for those that can’t attend. Then have the link posted so we can watch it while doing tank maintenance lol
MarcosD
Supporting Member
I would if there was proper communication and these things could be actually planned and not last minute. But considering I’m getting ignored on my comment I posted twice simply asking if we can make sure these are scheduled ahead of time to allow people to make accommodations to join, I don’t think so.
B the Nano Reefer
Supporting Member
@SupraSaltyReefer 1hr a month is hardly a commitment. I’d be willing to commit that time if there was buy in and it meant a better more streamlined swap for everyone.
@MarcosD I took @Srt4eric’s comment from this morning as responsive to yours. Sounds like for Q4, we were coming up to the holidays and a meeting had yet to happen, so there was some scrambling to find a time that worked for at least the BOD and a meeting was held on very short notice. Doesn’t sound like that’s the norm and it’s not the norm from what I can remember, though I’ve not attended many BOD meetings.
@MarcosD I took @Srt4eric’s comment from this morning as responsive to yours. Sounds like for Q4, we were coming up to the holidays and a meeting had yet to happen, so there was some scrambling to find a time that worked for at least the BOD and a meeting was held on very short notice. Doesn’t sound like that’s the norm and it’s not the norm from what I can remember, though I’ve not attended many BOD meetings.